opener RFI is 24%

Squeezing then folding against opener sucks but then so does playing AJo multi way oop

888 Poker - 75/150 Ante 20 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 9,713 (VPIP: 36.84, PFR: 26.32, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 39)
CO: 7,612 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 11.36, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 44)
BTN: 10,400 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
SB: 9,533 (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 4.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 69)
Hero (BB): 7,274
UTG: 7,575 (VPIP: 20.33, PFR: 15.49, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 307)
UTG+1: 8,217 (VPIP: 21.52, PFR: 16.78, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 158)
MP: 7,795 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)

8 players post ante of 20, SB posts SB 75, Hero posts BB 150

Pre Flop: (pot: 385) Hero has A J

fold, UTG+1 raises to 315, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 315, SB calls 240, [color=red]Hero ??

flatting is fine. AJo sucks.

Too weak to squeeze
Too strong to fold

Complete the blind and play poker

Can anyone explain why please?

when we squeeze here, we really want to fold out UTG, BTN and SB on the preflop and pick up the pot because "playing AJo multi way oop sucks", right?
let's say that 3-bet sizing is 12.6bb(4 x opening sizing + 2 callers )
hence, as a bluff it should work ~63% and collectively 3 opponents should defend 47%.
Now, if each of them defends only 15% of their opening/calling range then they all fold and we win the pot only 42% of time and our 3-bet will be called 58% of the time and we are OOP with bloated pot with marginal hand.
RFI of UTG+1 does not mean that he opens 24% from EP, it's overall stat. If we consider "typical" opening range of EP : 55+,A4s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,AJo+,KQo then 15% of that is TT+ and indeed he should defend wider than that. Similar reasoning can be applied for calling ranges of BTN/SB.
So, it seems that attempt to fold out everyone on the preflop is unlikely to be successful.

Excellent analysis, thanks

It sucks mw but you get what you pay for, and you're paying 1bb to close the action in a huge pot. You're not entitled to it not sucking.

From the small blind getting a worse price, worse position, not closing the action I love raise/fold. Folding to a 4bet doesn't suck. Your hand is shyt vs a UTG 4b range.

So i would in effective be squeeze bluffing against UTG but Squeezing for value against the cold callers?

Bluffing against UTG.

You could say it's for value against the flatters in that AJ should be ahead of their ranges overall but you still want folds. "You Don't Want Action" chapter in Janda's latest book expands.

You're bluffing against UTG and also bluffing against a good chunk of the flatters' ranges. They have lots of pairs, also AQ, possibly some AK too.

Almost none of the better hands are folding, especially if UTG flats and the players behind hop aboard the flatting train. And you instantly lose when UTG 4bets which happens frequently bc he's UTG and opening a strong range.

Super easy defend. Take what little equity you have to the streets.

What do we have as our value-squeezing and get it in range in this spot; like TT+ and AK and everything else just flat?

just flat pre and play simple poker here. Anything else is just FPS. You're getting an EXCELLENT price with a hand that plays like sh-t oop against multiple V's.

Call is totally fine.

Depends utg mostly, if you think he is opening too much and folding too much to 3bet i don't hate 3bet.

Let's say you were interested in being balanced and wanted non-nut hands to squeeze in this spot. I would first look to hands like A5s-A2s. In addition to the barrelling and nut potential, those get dominating hands to fold and diminish the reverse implieds of paying off 1 or 2 bets on Axx.

Also I believe the implied odds of making a nut flush mw is overrated. It's rare to overflush and when it happens opponents don't even need to felt sets given the likelihood of someone having a flush.

Doesn't that justify 4betting more than flatting? Or that its good enough to flat?

Sorry for all the questions i just want to be precise about what range, and type of range i should flat with, bluff with and value bet with to get it in, thanks

I would think about in terms of range.vs range against the OR.

1-minus any specific reads or history against this V, his opening range is inherently tighter than your calling range. IF you're going to 3 bet multiway and OOP, I would lean HEAVILY toward value.
2-say you raise, if the OR calls, it is a virtual guarantee that the other two call. Now you're 4 way in a bloated pot OOP with mediocre starting hand. Would you be all that happy if a A flops? How do you proceed? What about a J?
3-If your plan on the flop would be about same wether you raise or not, ESPECIALLY if you're OOP, then why raise? IMO, I would prefer a raise with something like JTs than AJo. SCs tend to play better/easier in multiway pots.

Make sense?