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Wcoop 11+R , made flush vs paired turn, call or all in? Wcoop 11+R , made flush vs paired turn, call or all in?

09-19-2017 , 03:01 PM
Hi guys, this is wcoop 11 +R early stages, i catch otf a flush, multiway pot. I raise flop with this hand, get 1 call. OTT the board paired and i lead again , villain c/r me, i call. River is a 4 heart and the board shows 4 hearts . The problem with this hand is, should i raise all in(after the c/raise of course) turn or just call? Obvious river is a fold.

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (10/20 blinds, 3 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
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SB: 8,890 (444.5 bb)
BB: 4,997 (249.9 bb)
UTG: 4,738 (236.9 bb)
MP: 4,946 (247.3 bb)
Hero (CO): 4,926 (246.3 bb)
BTN: 11,503 (575.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3 6
UTG raises to 60, MP folds, Hero calls 60, 2 folds, BB calls 40

Flop: (208) 8 9 2 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets 120, Hero raises to 465, BB calls 465, UTG folds

Turn: (1,258) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 692, BB raises to 1,460, Hero calls 768

River: (4,178) K (2 players)
BB bets 3,009 and is all-in, Hero folds.
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09-19-2017 , 03:39 PM
it's interesting playing so deep - I'm not really that experienced at it but I think one of the key points is not overplaying a non-nuts hand - this definitely comes into that category. we don't want to gii with an SPR of about 25 with such a low flush.

so this deep i'm tempted to flat the flop - would be interesting to hear other's views here - then once BB flats the flop raise - there should be alarm bells. Turn I think is a clear check back - once we bet I guess we need to call such a small raise but prob to fold to a shove on any river. Certainly to shove the turn would be just terrible.
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09-19-2017 , 04:02 PM
just check turn i think is out of the question because if he is going on a flush something like A -x you must him pay the price. If he dont catches he will not pay ur bet otr, and thats why you should bet turn. Yea i know he could have a bigger flush , but vs a bet and a raise with a mafe hand u just call? i think sets and top pair + draw, two pair is more likely here. Yea turn is a bad card but i bet for the motive already said.
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09-19-2017 , 04:04 PM
I don't mind the flop raise to get value from big single hearts, along with sets and even the 98. Flush over flush is just so rare. The turn card is obviously bad because you're now dead to a full house so a turn bet is only getting value from single hearts. So you could opt to check behind, keep the pot small, and plan to call a non-heart river bet.

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09-19-2017 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rodream8
just check turn i think is out of the question because if he is going on a flush something like A -x you must him pay the price. If he dont catches he will not pay ur bet otr, and thats why you should bet turn. Yea i know he could have a bigger flush , but vs a bet and a raise with a mafe hand u just call? i think sets and top pair + draw, two pair is more likely here. Yea turn is a bad card but i bet for the motive already said.
many people will flat the nuts on this flop - cold 3bet would look too strong. yes we may lose value from some nfds but V will bluff a proportion of the times he misses and it's rarely a good idea to bet when we hate ( or should hate) a raise
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09-19-2017 , 08:37 PM
calling pre is a pretty big leak and this hand rly shows you why. postflop its played ok, theres rly no other way to play it. you have a decent bluffcatcher but its far from a strong value hand when that many bets go in.
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09-20-2017 , 05:48 AM
think its too lose to be calling 63s v an utg raise. Why are u calling this wide? I know we have 250bb but u could pick a much better hand then this. Also its better to be opening this hand in LP rather than flatting a raise.

Rest of the hand is fine imo.
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