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06-05-2018 , 10:56 AM
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 75/150 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 63.7 BB (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 13.16, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 39)
BTN: 35.1 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 20)
SB: 58.93 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 10.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
BB: 58.89 BB (VPIP: 43.75, PFR: 31.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG: 33.63 BB (VPIP: 17.35, PFR: 11.73, 3Bet Preflop: 6.41, Hands: 196)
UTG+1: 29.33 BB (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 68)
Hero (MP): 40.29 BB
MP+1: 45.2 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
MP+2: 31.4 BB (VPIP: 20.75, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 106)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has 7 5

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players) A 3 5
Hero checks, BTN bets 3.7 BB, Hero calls 3.7 BB

Turn: (14.8 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BTN bets 10.37 BB, Hero calls 10.37 BB

River: (35.53 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 18.43 BB and is all-in, Hero?


preflo - this is not a hand I will open raise with 100%, but this time I chose to open.
any opinions postflop?
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06-05-2018 , 12:10 PM
I don't think I'm calling the turn bet. You could take a x/c line with Ax on that flop so when villain fires the 2nd bullet that suggests he's not concerned about you having Ax. And you don't have info indicating he's a laggy player. I think you'll be up against Ax here a large percentage of the time.
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06-05-2018 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
I don't think I'm calling the turn bet. You could take a x/c line with Ax on that flop so when villain fires the 2nd bullet that suggests he's not concerned about you having Ax. And you don't have info indicating he's a laggy player. I think you'll be up against Ax here a large percentage of the time.
I will x/c my low Ax on this board. what is your calling range on the turn so?
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06-05-2018 , 12:52 PM
Would you also x/c good Ax sometimes too?

The problem here is I don't think he plays any middling Aces this way. It's more likely a trap with a big Ace (hoping you'll call down with worse) or a 2p Ax. Plus he has sets in his range too. I just don't think he fires the 2nd bullet with middle pairs after you x/c such a dry flop but maybe that's a bad assumption.

Given my assumptions I think I'm only calling down with AQ+ here.
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06-05-2018 , 01:29 PM
yeah, I will x/c good Ax but small precentage of the time.
I agree that he is not playing middling aces like that. but that is not mean that he don't have bluff. don't you expect from viliian trying to take down the pot with JTs type of hands when I check to him?

OTT I think it's still a call. Our hand has better equity against his value range (55,33,AJs-ATs,A5s,A3s,AQo-AJo) than A9s for example.
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06-05-2018 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by yonis9
yeah, I will x/c good Ax but small precentage of the time.
I agree that he is not playing middling aces like that. but that is not mean that he don't have bluff. don't you expect from viliian trying to take down the pot with JTs type of hands when I check to him?

OTT I think it's still a call. Our hand has better equity against his value range (55,33,AJs-ATs,A5s,A3s,AQo-AJo) than A9s for example.
You need 29% equity so you would have to include a whole bunch of QJs/QTs/JTs/J9s type bluffs to get there. But if you include those, you also have you include pairs that beat you (88-JJ). Absent a read that he's barreling with such a wide range o don't see how the turn is a call.
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06-05-2018 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
You need 29% equity so you would have to include a whole bunch of QJs/QTs/JTs/J9s type bluffs to get there. But if you include those, you also have you include pairs that beat you (88-JJ). Absent a read that he's barreling with such a wide range o don't see how the turn is a call.
OTT he is being very polar. I dont think he bets there 88-JJ this size very often. it's either a very strong hand or a bluff.

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06-05-2018 , 09:21 PM
Fold preflop there isn't even an ante, fold turn. This is why we should fold pre is again we get to rivers like this that we can't call and again we have to cap our range on the turn c/c (if we continue). Like we never have AA/33/55 here, can't have 74s (maybe we can I guess). We don't block any of his value range here really besides 555 basically. It's unlikely he has AxXc and is turning it into a bluff so I dunno. Same thing as before where it sucks when we get 3b or called by people behind as the other thread.
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