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Old 10-04-2017, 06:00 AM   #1
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Turn decision with weak pair+OESD

Another Hot 4.40 hand. Loved the flop but not a great turn card.

PokerStars - 60/120 Ante 15 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 33.63 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 10.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 81)
UTG+1: 88.53 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 3.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
MP: 44.92 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
MP+1: 40.34 BB (VPIP: 10.34, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 29)
MP+2: 67.53 BB (VPIP: 19.35, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
Hero (CO): 32.93 BB
BTN: 38.8 BB (VPIP: 9.68, PFR: 3.23, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
SB: 33.02 BB (VPIP: 15.63, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
BB: 78.65 BB (VPIP: 40.63, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 32)

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.62 BB) Hero has 8 6

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (6.62 BB, 2 players) 7 5 6
BB checks, Hero bets 3.32 BB, BB calls 3.32 BB

Turn: (13.26 BB, 2 players) Q
BB checks, Hero ???

Villain is very loose-passive through a pretty small sample so it isn't easy to range him here in the BB. If I were deeper I would happily fire again to rep the Q but my stack size makes things a bit challenging.

Fire again and prepare to bluff the river if called?

Check behind and hope to hit on the river?
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:50 AM   #2
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Re: Turn decision with weak pair+OESD

If the guy is loose passive I'm checking back turn,if he bets riv I fold,if he checks I checkback with a showdownable hand.If you bet turn and he calls I'm not bluffing river.
I don't like betting turn at all just to rep a Q,better hands wont fold also possible he hit the flop hard and you can get c/r'd,
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:32 PM   #3
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Re: Turn decision with weak pair+OESD

check back flop
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Old 10-04-2017, 02:10 PM   #4
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Re: Turn decision with weak pair+OESD

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check back flop
To prevent getting blown off your equity?

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Old 10-04-2017, 04:23 PM   #5
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Re: Turn decision with weak pair+OESD

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check back flop
Why?

Can prob check turn.

Edit- Actually we should bet cause we have a lot of good runouts for us to bet and the main reason to raise 86s (should prob fold pre) is to have board coverage but if we're not betting when we hit these flops then it's useless. We also want to be able to bluff other runouts as well potentially. Could sometimes triple barrel this as a bluff since we block the nutter butters and sets.

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Old 10-04-2017, 04:27 PM   #6
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Re: Turn decision with weak pair+OESD

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To prevent getting blown off your equity?

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thats one upside to checking back flop although we cant rly get blown off our equity on the flop because we wouldn't fold to a checkraise otf. however i think the biggest downside to betting is that its tough to get called by too many worse hands. i understand that 6x needs a bit of protection here but i think splitting our 6x up into bets and checks is reasonable. with very strong 6x id elect to bet more often because it can get calls from worse 6x and has a lot less playability on turns and rivers than 68 for example. so not seeing a turn with A6 is more valuable than with 86. the weaker 6x cant get calls from worse 6x and with the added equity of an sd we can basically call turn leads on every single turn card in the deck after checking back flop.

finally a 765 flop nails a bb defending range more than it hits an opening range. for that reason we should generally be doing less betting on this texture anyway. checking back a strong bluffcatcher and betting a more polarized range otf makes sense in that regard because we know exactly how to react when villain decides to put in more bets.
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Old 10-05-2017, 09:01 AM   #7
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Re: Turn decision with weak pair+OESD

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with very strong 6x id elect to bet more often because it can get calls from worse 6x and has a lot less playability on turns and rivers than 68 for example. so not seeing a turn with A6 is more valuable than with 86. the weaker 6x cant get calls from worse 6x and with the added equity of an sd we can basically call turn leads on every single turn card in the deck after checking back flop.
There are going to be very few worse 6's in his range that didn't flop 2p. Like we're talking 64s and maybe 63s. And with 2 6's accounted for, that doesn't leave many combos.

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finally a 765 flop nails a bb defending range more than it hits an opening range. for that reason we should generally be doing less betting on this texture anyway. checking back a strong bluffcatcher and betting a more polarized range otf makes sense in that regard because we know exactly how to react when villain decides to put in more bets.
I agree but since the flop actually nailed my hand, I figured it was very well disguised. I'm less concerned about balance at these stakes. My bet was designed to build a pot with decent equity (hoping to improve on the turn) and partly hoping to entice him to make a move. If he goes for a x/r, I'm happily shoving my chips in.

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Old 10-06-2017, 02:37 PM   #8
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Re: Turn decision with weak pair+OESD

I think checking back turn is reasonable but vs this particular villain I would opt to keep betting OTT and fold to any aggression. There are a lot of good river cards for you plus you have some equity if you don't hit the draw so you can bet, call or check accordingly OTR.
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:51 PM   #9
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Re: Turn decision with weak pair+OESD

I wouldn't raise 86s v a 40/9 big blind. And I'd check back the flop, as there isn't much he's folding, and you can see 2 sts for the price of his potential turn probe bet. I'd bet a draw without sd value, then give up v a 40 vpip.
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Old 10-07-2017, 12:16 PM   #10
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Re: Turn decision with weak pair+OESD

i also think that being concerned by balance at this stakes will just cost you money... dont mind anything otf and ott
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