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09-19-2017 , 03:38 AM
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Do I pot control and check turn and start yelling Q4K?
Any sizing errors otf or turn?




    Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (3,500/7,000 blinds, 875 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37832567

    BTN: 92,030 (13.1 bb)
    SB: 274,802 (39.3 bb)
    BB: 434,345 (62 bb)
    UTG+1: 333,395 (47.6 bb)
    UTG+2: 119,139 (17 bb)
    Hero (MP1): 268,407 (38.3 bb)
    MP2: 552,276 (78.9 bb)
    MP3: 351,976 (50.3 bb)
    CO: 228,177 (32.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T T
    2 folds, Hero raises to 15,330, 5 folds, BB calls 8,330

    Flop: (42,035) Q T 4 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 16,304, BB calls 16,304

    Turn: (74,643) K (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 32,466, BB raises to 84,000, Hero calls 51,534

    River: (242,643) A (2 players)
    BB bets 242,643, Hero folds




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    09-19-2017 , 08:29 AM
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    bigger ott, rest is fine.
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    09-19-2017 , 09:19 AM
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    Can we not jam over the raise on the turn. Lots of cards that kill our action on the river?

    See vil raising lots of 2 pair hands here on turn as well as obv straights that they rarely fold when u shove.
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    09-19-2017 , 01:35 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by daviid
    bigger ott, rest is fine.
    what's your sizing ott?
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    09-19-2017 , 01:50 PM
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    given that we dont have any "thin" vbet ott (i assume our vbetting range is simply Kx+) id probably bet 50ish. i dont rly like splitting our range into two sizings because it seems extremely unnecessary on a board texture where we aren't going to bet Qx for value ott anyway. TT is also a pretty decent combo to bet big with because vil can still have Kx and Qx hands that will rarely fold when they usually have some added equity with some sort of straight draw. i think overbetting turn is ok on a board that heavily favors us although id probably like that more with straights only for value because of unblocking pairs.
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    09-19-2017 , 01:53 PM
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    Quote:
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    Can we not jam over the raise on the turn. Lots of cards that kill our action on the river?

    See vil raising lots of 2 pair hands here on turn as well as obv straights that they rarely fold when u shove.
    agree, since vil possibly raises KQ for value? I was afraid of was J9 but how often does one x/r.
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    09-19-2017 , 02:04 PM
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    Quote:
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    given that we dont have any "thin" vbet ott (i assume our vbetting range is simply Kx+) id probably bet 50ish. i dont rly like splitting our range into two sizings because it seems extremely unnecessary on a board texture where we aren't going to bet Qx for value ott anyway. TT is also a pretty decent combo to bet big with because vil can still have Kx and Qx hands that will rarely fold when they usually have some added equity with some sort of straight draw. i think overbetting turn is ok on a board that heavily favors us although id probably like that more with straights only for value because of unblocking pairs.
    Interesting. I haven't considered betting big with made hands that potentially has villain range beat ott.
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    09-19-2017 , 04:21 PM
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    bet bigger pre 3-4 bb, bet bigger flop, vs check raise turn shove all in only afraid of j-9 but beating sets of 44 slowp, two pairs and even if we are beaten by a straight we have 10 outs , prety cooler spot.
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    09-19-2017 , 06:59 PM
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    Quote:
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    bet bigger pre 3-4 bb, bet bigger flop, vs check raise turn shove all in only afraid of j-9 but beating sets of 44 slowp, two pairs and even if we are beaten by a straight we have 10 outs , prety cooler spot.
    Maybe 3bb, but I think 4bb is too large we don't want smaller pairs to fold and face a 3bet that will cost us.
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    09-20-2017 , 04:07 PM
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    Maybe 3bb, but I think 4bb is too large we don't want smaller pairs to fold and face a 3bet that will cost us.
    nah at this level id go 2.5 max pre,prob lower to entice the button to shove.
    I don't like shoving turn at all,V could possibly fold his two pairs and bluffs(doubt theres many bluffs tho) you are getting odds to call and make a house so take them
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