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04-11-2018 , 05:35 AM

zahrem

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Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 156

Poker Stars, $45 Buy-in (600/1,200 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37933334

UTG+2: 41,278 (34.4 bb)
MP1: 49,662 (41.4 bb)
MP2: 53,822 (44.9 bb)
Hero (MP3): 67,171 (56 bb)
CO: 41,743 (34.8 bb)
BTN: 21,176 (17.6 bb)
SB: 52,565 (43.8 bb)
BB: 37,668 (31.4 bb)
UTG+1: 31,710 (26.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T

2 folds, MP1 raises to 2,400, MP2 folds, Hero raises to 6,000, 4 folds, MP1 raises to 13,800, Hero calls 7,800

Flop: (30,750) 6

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (30,750) A

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks

River: (30,750) 8

(2 players)
MP1 bets 8,400, Hero folds

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So I didnt have too much info on the guy and since I dont get 4bet too often in these stakes, decided to 3bet IP to prevent overcallers behind me. How often do you guys think i should take the agressive line with TT at these stages of MTT's, is this always a call IP? Should I 1/3 F to protect against overcards. How do you guys aproach these spots. TY

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04-11-2018 , 10:24 AM

Darth_Maul

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Without a read on villain I tend to play TT as a call in this spot because most of the time I'll just end up with a bloated pot facing difficult decisions when overcards drop.

That said I do think your 3b is a bit small.

Again absent a read you have to give credit for a very strong range there so I don't see him holding anything you beat. His line looks more like a monster than weakness, like AQ/AA. I just don't see him stabbing so weakly on the river with KK/JJ (if JJ is even in his 4b range) so a bluff raise would be suicide.

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04-11-2018 , 01:35 PM

miguelin43

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I like the 3 bet.

Villain is opening from MP and in a vacuum we can make him fold some medium hands. But my plan is 3 betting because I can take the pot preflop or play post flop W/ initiative , not because I want to evade overcallers

I fold to his 4 bet. Its small so is suspicious enough. What range do you assign him when he 4 bets OOP and small? Are you ahead of that range? Thats the question for me....

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04-11-2018 , 01:53 PM

HawkesDave

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I fold to the 4b here, too. I don't like the flat with these stacks OOP. It's ether shove or fold and it's usually a fold here unless I have a good reason to think he'd 4b light which isn't likely at this price tourney or with these stacks.

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04-11-2018 , 03:46 PM

Rapid_Fire

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Call behind preflop because all of your options suck should he 4 bet.

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04-12-2018 , 10:56 PM

Strappz

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Calling pre to the 2bet is fine but if you're going to 3bet make it somewhere between 7k-7.5k. It's too small and given stack sizes I'd be calling anything I had opened with in MP1's seat.

Is anyone else tempted to turn their hand into a bluff on the turn when MP1 checks it twice? It could be pot control with AK/KK. Hero has more Qx hands in his range than the villain does and for the times he has KK or some random 4bet bluff it's going to put MP1 in a heck of a tough spot. All that said if he fires turn he has to go for it on the river. IDK maybe it's a punt but I'd be curious to hear what others think.

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04-13-2018 , 09:07 AM

Darth_Maul

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Originally Posted by Strappz

Interesting thought because you're right, we have more Qx in our range than villain. But I think stack sizes are a problem here. Villain basically has just over a PSB left so if hero fires out a half pot bluff it risks a x/shove from villain for only another 20k or so.

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04-13-2018 , 01:56 PM

miguelin43

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Originally Posted by Strappz

Is anyone else tempted to turn their hand into a bluff on the turn when MP1 checks it twice? It could be pot control with AK/KK. Hero has more Qx hands in his range than the villain does and for the times he has KK or some random 4bet bluff it's going to put MP1 in a heck of a tough spot. All that said if he fires turn he has to go for it on the river. IDK maybe it's a punt but I'd be curious to hear what others think.

Uffff too much a brave bluff for me.

First because of what Darth Maul says..stacks are soooo swallow that probably he goes for it with an ace...

...and connected with the above , I am putting V in a extremely tight range (AA KK AK) so the most part of his combos are not going to fold

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04-17-2018 , 10:10 PM

killer_kill

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3b more pre, call the river.

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04-17-2018 , 11:28 PM

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zahrem

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Originally Posted by killer_kill

3b more pre, call the river.

Once it gets to that point on R, would you say it's a mandatory call ?

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04-18-2018 , 02:54 AM

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PokerEye99

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CBet flop and fold to a raise..shove if he checks turn.
The board suits perfectly to the range of your preflop play. Anything other than AA/AQ from would would put him in an impossible spot to call.

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04-18-2018 , 03:53 AM

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killer_kill

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Originally Posted by zahrem

Once it gets to that point on R, would you say it's a mandatory call ?

With 99+ yes probably. You don't have a diamond to block his bluffs.

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04-18-2018 , 12:55 PM

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Strappz

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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul

Yeah stack to pot ratio would be a problem. Must not have caught that when making that inquiry. If the villain had hero covered it would be an interesting spot though.

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04-18-2018 , 01:39 PM

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Darth_Maul

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Originally Posted by Strappz

Yeah stack to pot ratio would be a problem. Must not have caught that when making that inquiry. If the villain had hero covered it would be an interesting spot though.

Not just covered, effective stacks would have to be quite a bit deeper to pull this off. He has to be deep enough that he can't just shove over your x/r. But you also need the right villain - one that would be able to fold Ax there.

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04-18-2018 , 01:43 PM

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Rapid_Fire

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I find that bluffs where the Villain actually has the hand you are pretending to have never work.

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04-18-2018 , 07:24 PM

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Darth_Maul

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Originally Posted by Rapid_Fire

I find that bluffs where the Villain actually has the hand you are pretending to have never work.

Villain 4b pre, he likely has no Qx in his range. We have to assume his range is basically AA/KK/AK here (with the highly unlikely QQ). So the x/r would be targeting KK/AK.

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04-20-2018 , 11:25 AM

#17

nomalice

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I'm fine with our line.

Villain can have some KQos in this spot preflop... anyway wp postflop imo

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