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TPGK facing 2 barrels TPGK facing 2 barrels

07-05-2020 , 05:02 AM
Hand is from a $2.20 PKO.

PokerStars - 30/60 Ante 9 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 97.48 BB
UTG+1: 83.18 BB
MP: 143.68 BB
MP+1: 89.57 BB
MP+2: 180.83 BB
Hero (CO): 57.97 BB
BTN: 67.55 BB
SB: 89.45 BB
BB: 258.6 BB

9 players post ante of 0.15 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB.

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.85 BB) Hero has Q K

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, MP+1 calls 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (16.85 BB, 5 players) 7 Q 6
BB checks, UTG+1 bets 8 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 8 BB, BB calls 8 BB

Turn: (40.85 BB, 3 players) 7
BB checks, UTG+1 bets 20 BB, ...


Villan has just joined the table.

Off line analysis:

Let's place villan in the following UTG+1 range: 44+,A4s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,AJo+,KQo.
Let's say my calling range preflop is JJ-44,AQs-A9s,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,KQo.

PF: I'm not sure if I would want to 3bet here. This is a PKO and I'm covered by everyone on the table, it is pretty hard to get folds. So I decided to just call.

Flop: PF agressor does its cbet. Right now are equities are pretty close, 49.2% (me) v 50.7%. Flop was good for this particular hand, we have a TPGK and a K high BDFD. This combo has 70% equitity and it makes a good call agaisnt a 1/2 pot cbet (requires 32% equity).

Turn: The 7 pairs the board. Range equities are still pretty close (51.2 v 48.2). Our particular combo has now 75% equity; but we don't have our flush draw anymore. We obviously can't fold river if we call here; should we call turn and river since we are at pretty close to the top of our range? Whats villan betting for 2 streets that we win? FD, KQ (tie), QJ, JJs? Perhaps we should shove over his cbet just to get it in against the hands we are currently beating?

Please, comment in the hand itself and also the way I'm analyzing it. Trying to improve my off table study routine.
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07-05-2020 , 05:18 AM
You are up against very strong ranges. Villain's flop c-bet in 5-way pot should be very strong. Although, I am bit surprised by the sizing of his bets. Just under half pot. I thought with AA, KK, AQ his flop c-bet should be higher because he does not want to make it cheap for people to float on such a wet board.

I think your hand is very very difficult to play v UTG raise and two call from MPs pre. I really hate playing hands such as KQ, KJ, AQ, AJ vs UTG because when you are dominated / outkicked then you lose a lot of money. You can even argue for folding pre. I might have folded. I know this is very nitty but you will just avoid situations like this and also how much EV you are gonna lose? Not much if any considering the postflop mistakes.. You are most likely massively dominated vs UTG open + two MPs calls. I just cannot think of what hands you are actually ahead of and what flops you will like. See, you have TP second kicker and you are having hard time on the turn.

I think 7 on the turn is better for your range than for villain's range. I think you should probably call the turn, although you do not like it much and evaluate on the river. Villain may check the river coz he might be concerned you hit your trips and you can go to showdown. It is just so strong when he cbet the flop 5 way.
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07-05-2020 , 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 000Puh4u
You are up against very strong ranges. Villain's flop c-bet in 5-way pot should be very strong. Although, I am bit surprised by the sizing of his bets. Just under half pot. I thought with AA, KK, AQ his flop c-bet should be higher because he does not want to make it cheap for people to float on such a wet board.

I think your hand is very very difficult to play v UTG raise and two call from MPs pre. I really hate playing hands such as KQ, KJ, AQ, AJ vs UTG because when you are dominated / outkicked then you lose a lot of money. You can even argue for folding pre. I might have folded. I know this is very nitty but you will just avoid situations like this and also how much EV you are gonna lose? Not much if any considering the postflop mistakes.. You are most likely massively dominated vs UTG open + two MPs calls. I just cannot think of what hands you are actually ahead of and what flops you will like. See, you have TP second kicker and you are having hard time on the turn.

I think 7 on the turn is better for your range than for villain's range. I think you should probably call the turn, although you do not like it much and evaluate on the river. Villain may check the river coz he might be concerned you hit your trips and you can go to showdown. It is just so strong when he cbet the flop 5 way.
Yeah, I think I agree with that. Folding pre would have probably made my life a lot easier here.
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07-05-2020 , 09:16 AM
KQo, KJo, AQo, AJo These hands I really hate flatting vs UTG and also calling a 3bet basically from any positions. I am usually overfolding them I think this has greatly improved my game. If it is a slightly -EV fold pre that is fine coz otherwise postflop it becomes massively ----EV.

But I love 3 betting with these hands when 50bb or shorter. They play very well in a 3bet pot when the aggressor and also, if I get 4bet I am glad to fold them. This is not the most sophisticated strategy but it has done wonders for me and I really like it.
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07-10-2020 , 02:38 AM
people are super splashy in these $2 pkos, dunno if I would fold turn.. your often shocked with what some people turn up with

He can still have some worse hands like QJ,QTs and diamonds (even tho we block) and even some random draws like 9Ts/89s
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07-16-2020 , 03:44 PM
I don't think there is any reasonable bluff or overplay with hands like worse QX or TTJJ in V's range, our Kd blocks some of his semi-bluff as flash draw.
Facing a better hand like AQ, AA, KK, 7X and 66, we are in very bad shape.
Most of time I will fold turn if I didn't 3B preflop or raise otf since I wanted to play a small pot in the first place.
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07-16-2020 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by newbie2+2
I don't think there is any reasonable bluff or overplay with hands like worse QX or TTJJ in V's range, our Kd blocks some of his semi-bluff as flash draw.
Facing a better hand like AQ, AA, KK, 7X and 66, we are in very bad shape.
Most of time I will fold turn if I didn't 3B preflop or raise otf since I wanted to play a small pot in the first place.
So if you fold turn this high up in your range then what hands do you call down that don't 3b pre?

If we fold this high we literally have no continue hands in our range ott, only really 66 and this is too small a % imo
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