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TP confusion - Maniac SB donks pot and UTG calls TP confusion - Maniac SB donks pot and UTG calls

04-21-2018 , 01:09 PM
How often should I be flatting here if stationy UTG also calls the donk?
SB's pot sized donk is meaningless, he'd shown to donk with ATC.
No enough hands with UTG, but he had stationed with AK/AQ/AJ opening in early position.
    Poker Stars, 20/40 blinds, 5 ante No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37933585

    BTN: 5,499 (137.5 bb)
    SB: 4,611 (115.3 bb)
    BB: 4,995 (124.9 bb)
    MP1: 6,417 (160.4 bb)
    Hero (MP2): 4,804 (120.1 bb)
    MP3: 4,654 (116.4 bb)
    CO: 14,084 (352.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q T
    MP1 raises to 175, Hero calls 175, 3 folds, SB calls 155, BB calls 135

    Flop: (735) 8 6 T (4 players)
    SB bets 735, BB folds, MP1 calls 735, Hero calls 735

    Turn: (2,940) A (3 players)
    SB checks, MP1 bets 2,205, Hero folds, SB calls 2,205

    River: (7,350) 4 (2 players)
    SB bets 1,491 and is all-in, MP1 calls 1,491

    Spoiler:
    Results: 10,332 pot
    Final Board: 8 6 T A 4
    SB showed 5 7 and won 10,332 (5,721 net)
    MP1 showed A Q and lost (-4,611 net)



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    TP confusion - Maniac SB donks pot and UTG calls Quote
    04-23-2018 , 10:18 AM
    I don't see much value in flatting pre. Unless there is good reason to believe V is opening a very wide range, this should just be a fold at this stage of the mtt. Also, calling OTF is a big mistake. You're drawing to only 4 solid outs and left in awkward spots when your overs peel off. Tighten up, big guy.
    TP confusion - Maniac SB donks pot and UTG calls Quote
    04-23-2018 , 03:31 PM
    I disagree about Morajean's decision pre. MP1 raises to 175 at 20/40 ante 5, more than 4x raise pre from MP1 seems more value heavy and 3bet/folding would be a disaster against that range. But I'm def not folding here pre. If we were 9 handed and raise came from UTG or +1 then we can consider folding there, but we'll do fine on avg against their open raising range here.

    Flop is pretty gross but once MP1 calls, id just let it go. On avg, MP1 has all Tx hands that dominate ours/overpairs etc. SB's range MOST of the time should be pretty value heavy, donk potting OOP into 3 players but if you really think his range is ATC then I can see a call OTF fine after MP1 calls, but always folding turn here - so good fold there.
    TP confusion - Maniac SB donks pot and UTG calls Quote
    04-23-2018 , 03:34 PM
    Just saw the results, yeah it sucks to see the 57. But I'd still advocate for a call OTF or fold, never raising OTF since we have to fold vs a backraise or reraise from MP1.
    TP confusion - Maniac SB donks pot and UTG calls Quote
    04-23-2018 , 08:20 PM
    I would honestly feel better calling on the flop with a draw versus top pair once MP1 calls.

    This is probably one of the worst boards you could connect to multi way. Any 4-9, J, K, A all suck on the turn. The only cards that appear safe are a 2 or 3 and there are five outs left to give you a clean two pair/trips and you have no backdoor flush equity.

    I think I probably make an exploitative fold on the flop simply because the pot is multi-way and you're going to be folding at such a high frequency on the turn or river.
    TP confusion - Maniac SB donks pot and UTG calls Quote

          
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