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07-17-2019 , 05:26 PM
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Hi guys

Villain is unknown

I put him on some flush draw (more likely), 77 or some sort of middle pair+str8combo (like JT?)

Anyways, whats´s the best option here? If we just call we roughly have a PSB left OTT so

1.- We shove and deny villain chance to shove on us OTT
2.- We just call the raise OTF; OTT call a shove (except if FD completes?) or if villain checks we just shove ourselves

    Poker Stars, $4.50 Buy-in (10,000/20,000 blinds, 2,500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: 213,026 (10.7 bb)
    BB: 571,040 (28.6 bb)
    Hero (UTG): 530,149 (26.5 bb)
    MP: 413,278 (20.7 bb)
    CO: 223,310 (11.2 bb)
    BTN: 1,647,948 (82.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q K
    Hero raises to 42,000, 4 folds, BB calls 22,000

    Flop: (109,000) K J 7 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 54,500, BB raises to 129,000, Hero raises to 485,649 and is all-in, BB calls 356,649

    Turn: (1,080,298) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (1,080,298) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 1,080,298 pot
    Final Board: K J 7 8 3
    BB showed A 8 and lost (-530,149 net)
    Hero showed Q K and won 1,080,298 (550,149 net)
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    07-17-2019 , 10:32 PM
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    I guess it doesn't matter too much if you shove the flop or just call and wait until the turn. With these shallowish stacks I proly jam flop with how wet it is. He might level himself into a call with Kx or be priced in with his draw. When im deeper I proly just call the x/r ip and see what he does ott.
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    07-19-2019 , 11:05 AM
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    Fine as played, he just got there. Surprised he didn't just x/shove flop.
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    07-19-2019 , 01:49 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wowsooooted
    I guess it doesn't matter too much if you shove the flop or just call and wait until the turn. With these shallowish stacks I proly jam flop with how wet it is. He might level himself into a call with Kx or be priced in with his draw. When im deeper I proly just call the x/r ip and see what he does ott.
    You hit my main issue with this kind of situations here because of the SPR OTF here (around 5) which I still don't know how to play very well

    So if SPR was around 2,5 and we have top pair like here we jam and we are happy about it right? With a bigger one as you say we play more cautious (like 7-8?)

    But with SPR 4,5-5 I feel at loss...I see a lot of regs playing these pots in a really aggressive way and still don't get the feeling to how to play them
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    07-21-2019 , 03:02 AM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by miguelin43
    You hit my main issue with this kind of situations here because of the SPR OTF here (around 5) which I still don't know how to play very well

    So if SPR was around 2,5 and we have top pair like here we jam and we are happy about it right? With a bigger one as you say we play more cautious (like 7-8?)

    But with SPR 4,5-5 I feel at loss...I see a lot of regs playing these pots in a really aggressive way and still don't get the feeling to how to play them
    Yea when the stacks are deeper we need to be higher up in our range to stack it off. The main thing is here we are at the top of our range on a wet board when bb should start the hand with a relatively wide range. He shouldnt have any better Kx so we should have the nut non 2p hand here and we we block other 2p usually our hand is enough
    Last edited by wowsooooted; 07-21-2019 at 03:22 AM.
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