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09-21-2018 , 02:47 AM

Voltencity

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Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 31

PokerStars, $4.90 + $0.60 - Hold'em No Limit - 250/500 (80 ante) - 9 players
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UTG: 23,800 (48 bb)
UTG+1: 36,764 (74 bb)
MP: 16,916 (34 bb)
MP+1: 23,297 (47 bb)
LP: 4,819 (10 bb)
CO: 19,150 (38 bb)
BU: 3,018 (6 bb)
SB: 47,025 (94 bb)
BB (Hero): 20,782 (42 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,470) Hero is BB with 4♦ A♣
2 players fold, MP calls 500, 2 players fold, CO raises to 1,000, 1 fold, SB calls 750, Hero calls 500, MP calls 500

Flop: (4,720) 2♠ 7♦ 4♠ (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 1,558, MP calls 1,558, CO calls 1,558, SB folds

Turn: (9,394) K♣ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks

River: (9,394) 8♥ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks

Would you defend A4 in this hand?
What would you have done on the flop?

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09-21-2018 , 04:44 AM

cizixap

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Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 1,027

I would just try to see the showdown as cheaply as possible.

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09-21-2018 , 06:10 AM

Nixie Bobtie

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Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 129

I'm not betting out on the flop, I don't know what the reasoning for it would be? Depending on the action I'm probably ok with check-folding or check-calling

Not excited to defend this hand pre but we are getting good odds and I'm mainly interested in some wheel draws/ 2 pair or better, not a weak middle pair OOP

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09-21-2018 , 07:01 AM

Voltencity

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Originally Posted by Nixie Bobtie

I'm not betting out on the flop, I don't know what the reasoning for it would be? OOP

Well I thought its a pretty dry board so if I fire on the flop I can protect my 4.

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09-21-2018 , 07:48 AM

Nixie Bobtie

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Ok, but personally I wouldn't bet middle pair here as we have three opponents two of which are left to act including the preflop aggressor (even though his aggression was minimal) and I feel that our hand has very marginal value

I don't think I have many hands that I would be leading out for here, maybe some two pairs that I would like to protect and sometimes a set. I think with almost all of my continuing range I would just be check-calling.

I know there are players that do lead out with more of their range so I'm not saying my range is right, but I'm just not sure what those wider leading ranges include and why, and whether A4 would be part of it

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09-21-2018 , 08:01 AM

cizixap

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Originally Posted by Voltencity

Well I thought its a pretty dry board so if I fire on the flop I can protect my 4.

would you also protect the 3rd pair, like A2?

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09-21-2018 , 08:46 AM

Darth_Maul

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IF you're going to bet that flop you have to go much larger to get folds. You want to take it down there and not get called.

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09-21-2018 , 12:05 PM

bearer

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Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,688

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Originally Posted by cizixap

would you also protect the 3rd pair, like A2?

Right. Basically 4x is not good enough to attempt to protect.

You have no right to expect to have the best hand. If the flop checks though and the turn is a 2 then you can reconsider.

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09-21-2018 , 12:25 PM

bearer

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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul

IF you're going to bet that flop you have to go much larger to get folds. You want to take it down there and not get called.

^ This too

It's not a question of "how often do I have the best hand?", it's "how often do I win?"

If you get called you are going to lose the pot on must runouts. And it's likely you will be called.

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09-21-2018 , 03:30 PM

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UntimelyBluff

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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul

IF you're going to bet that flop you have to go much larger to get folds. You want to take it down there and not get called.

Exactly this that puny little lead out is going to be called/floated so often, if you really wanted to go all out and protect this 4 a larger bet is necessary, but I personally wouldn't even defend the weak non suited aces can often spell disaster.

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