This was FT bubble of a $1 180 player sng. I raised to steal with the idea of calling if the short shoved. Then the other V enters the hand and kills my plan. I call because of the odds.
Then.. I know it was a stupid fold, I had to pay coins for a big pot. But I felt like I was dominated by any A high hand, probably with a K or Q also, and any PP.
So I folded at that point because saving those little chip would let me continue playing as a shortstack at least.
But IDK, is this a "always call" spot because of the odds? or that idea of seing yourself dominated and folding to survive and have a playable stack is more important on a bubble?
Probably best mindset for this is: "if you OR this hand with that stack, be willing to play it for all your chips or just fold"
Poker Stars, $0.91 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q K
3 folds, Hero raises to 1,200, BTN raises to 4,666 and is all-in, SB folds, BB calls 4,066, Hero calls 3,466
Flop: (14,648) 6 6 5 (3 players, 1 is all-in)
BB bets 2,851 and is all-in, Hero folds
Turn: (14,648) K (2 players, 2 are all-in) River: (14,648) 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Spoiler:
Results: 14,648 pot
Final Board: 6 6 5 K 8
BB showed Q A and won 14,648 (9,932 net)
Hero mucked Q K and lost (-4,716 net)
BTN showed T A and lost (-4,716 net)
That's a shove or fold, I'm not sure why you would just call and leave him almost 5bb behind. But I would fold. KQo sucks in spots like this because you're behind even crappy Aces, all pairs, and occasionally dominated.
IMHO the best decision here would be opening-shoving preflop if hero wants to steal. No one from opponents on hero's left has much incentive to call from ICM PoV:
BTN does not want to be busted before BB
SB's chips are highly valuable
BB does not want to be busted before BTN
however, someone could put the numbers in icmizer or similar tool and check how profitable shoving is here
Yes shove pre solves a lot of probs - although nightmare scenario is SB calls but that is going to be very rare - r/c the shorties and fold to SB is also Ok - as played gii pre with BB and as played we can never fold getting better than 6-1
we are sometimes ahead here
Yes shove pre solves a lot of probs - although nightmare scenario is SB calls but that is going to be very rare - r/c the shorties and fold to SB is also Ok - as played gii pre with BB and as played we can never fold getting better than 6-1
we are sometimes ahead here
Agree with this. I'm fine with opening here pre. When button shoves and BB calls with little behind you can either fold or shove (or call knowing that you're never folding post flop). But calling pre and folding flop is not great.
The idea of direct push with more than 15bb is "new" to me somehow. I am doing it since little time and realy don't know where is the line between OR or push with 15/20bb
The idea of direct push with more than 15bb is "new" to me somehow. I am doing it since little time and realy don't know where is the line between OR or push with 15/20bb
when ICM comes to the games, direct pushes with any stack size could be really crushing strategy, especially if your opponents are aware of ICM
Just simple scenario: you play final 3 and have 40BB on BTN. SB and BB both have 10BB. You can push any two napkins profitably as long as SB/BB understand that they don't have any interest to play against you.