Bit of a bizarre river spot here. Do we just snap this everytime? Do people check ace flush draws on the flop here ever? Most likely hand we lose to is 65 suited. Its tough can he can have some floats with aq I guess sometimes. Im really struggling to range the guy at all here. Villian is a winning reg as well but I was readless at the time.

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UTG: 314,772 (112 bb)
UTG+1: 53,345 (19 bb)
MP: 70,007 (25 bb)
MP+1: 87,336 (31 bb)
LP: 198,462 (71 bb)
CO: 42,861 (15 bb)
BU (Hero): 131,513 (47 bb)
SB: 89,112 (32 bb)
BB: 118,574 (42 bb)

Pre-Flop: (7,350) Hero is BTN with T♠ K♠
UTG raises to 5,600, 5 players fold, Hero calls 5,600, 1 fold, BB calls 2,800

Flop: (21,350) 6♣ K♥ 5♥ (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 10,675, BB folds, UTG calls 10,675

Turn: (42,700) A♦ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (42,700) 5♦ (2 players)
[color=#C51F1F]UTG bets 28,182(Hero) ?

Feel like your range is a little off here... 65s is wide from utg. IME this is almost always AQ/AJ/, a10ss that was scared to bet the flop but wasn't ready to fold.

flatting here if fine, there might be an argument to 3 bet.

I like the cbet and basically checking all turns, the A being one of the worst cards for us I think we have to fold the river.

I think his bluffs slighty out weigh his Ax hands. Id prob sigh call, but yeah you are gonna run into Axhh or AQ with the A of hearts some of the time

Why did you bet the flop? I don't mind it obviously just think checking is better if we're defending our button with KTs. I would prob fold pre.

I check back here sometimes as well. Not really defending vs kuch. But bet works as well

I'll add a bit more. But BB has a very wide range and is unlikely to bet turns and not many worry us and BB isn't folding hearts anyways. So we protect our checking range by doing this 3 ways. The UTG range mostly has pairs and broadway cards so there's not really anything we're worried about UTG turning that is behind rn. He has minimal draws.

I think I could have checked flop for sure. Def a disaster if Big blind check raises us.

Folding pre would be way too nitty with K10s on the btn, even against tight openers. Our hand has good playability postflop and we have position. I'd usually stab flop a little smaller than you did, but the bet is fine/good. The turn is rough and the river seems close, it's a bit hard to find bluffs for UTG when he goes c/c (would assume he isnt turning hands like nines into a bluff otr). I'd expect to see an ace or better really often.

Folding pre is not way too nitty at all, KT is a trap hand vs a UTG opening range suited or not. Too much risk of being dominated by KJ-AK/AT if you flop a pair.

I'm definitely checking flop. Maybe UTG decides to check KK or hands like AAh/AhK here, and the risk of x/r from BB is real.

River bet size isn't polarized, it looks very value-ish to me. Besides, he won't have many missed draws in his UTG range (maybe QJhh). Can't give him credit for opening hands like 87s utg.

I sigh fold and remind myself why I shouldn't flat KT vs a UTG open.

hmmm I think if we're not going to flat this we should be 3 betting against any decent opponent..

That being said, here why I dont think call can be too bad

vs an utg open of 9.4% (recommended open by upswing) 77+,ATs+,A5s,KTs+,QTs+,J9s+,T9s,98s,AQo+

KTs is ~41.6%

further if the BB calls with (21.7%) this range:
JJ-22,AQs-A2s,K7s+,Q8s+,J9s+,T9s,97s+,86s+,76s,65s,AQo-ATo,KTo+,QTo+,JTo
(QQ+, AK excluded)

we still sit at a pretty comfortable 30% equity in the hand with a good chance to realize all that equity due to our position.

Obviously we do have to use a lot of caution on K high boards as darth mentioned, but I think with position and so long as we keep in mind we may have to make some tight lay-downs I think that's okay

Folding pre is in no way nitty. A two gapper hand doesn't have that good of playability. We do have position but we most times miss or have stuff like this happen since BB will be priced in or may even squeeze sometimes.

You want to take stuff that doesn't want to flat as much to 3b light with. So 9Ts/A5s are both better than KTs to pick for 3b combos. 9Ts plays better when they flat and A5s blocks their 4b range. KTs blocks KK but they prob don't 4b TT (should prob flat it). The reverse implied odds is also something I forgot to mention before. But that just hammers you. Like how do you get value from UTG on a K high flop here? Do we expect villain to peel 77-QQ if we go heads up to flop and bet this flop?

His line can be consistent with AT-AQ with a heart because of bdfd/sd with overcard. I find people can peel one on drawy boards with A high because they may think its the best hand right now and your betting IP

If you are struggling with how to range villain, maybe it's best to consider your own range in this spot and how far you are up your range. Base your call on the odds that you're getting and call off an appropriate part of your range.

I'm not sure why preflop is being debated - this is a call and not even the bottom of our range. The only reason to do anything other than call pre is an adjustment to our oppoents (and OP didn't post any useful reads).

Preflop spots like this are solved now and if you aren't comfortable with flatting here might be worth doing some solver work/charts/whatever

I'm a little curious where youre getting this information from.. I don't think your wrong about A5s and T9s but I think you might be missing the full picture. KTs has the same blockers to the 4 bet as A5 (blocking AK and KK instead of AA) but vs a tight call 3 bet range of:

TT+,AJs+,AQo+(i played around with this and tried tighter ranges with the same result)

KTs outpreforms both A5s and T9s.

furthermore I tried to dig up the video but couldn't find it.. BenCB (RYE head coach) recommends always 3 betting K9s vs utg open because it does play so well vs the 3 bet calling range.

Lol, please show us how preflop spots like this are solved.

Post the work that this spot is solved. Are you sure you're not referencing cash games?

This.

Was it in a cash game or tournament? I mean it's hard to think someone said to always do something with no regard to stack sizes, which leads me to believe it's cash (defaulting 100bbs).

A5 blocks more combos cause of AA/AK/AQ as well. Not sure what you mean by KTs outperforms 9Ts. 9Ts plays much better when flatted vs UTG range than KTs. You're going to be dominated and playing a weak pair most times and hard to connect for boards to barrel different runouts.

it was a tournament, I think it was in one of his vids coaching Lex.. I'm going to look again today to try to find it. And i should clarify it's not always, it was always in this scenario as in we shouldn't have a mixed range of flatting and 3 betting, and even then I'm paraphrasing a bit.

okay so after a little bit of work I found the video I was making reference to. The hand is at 15:00 we are K9s 70bb deep in the CO so it's not a perfect mirror..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fODF18S670M&t=1008s

The funny thing is I also found another hand, it's exactly the same as the first video but a little more detail, and I think that's worth a watch too. 4:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fODF18S670M&t=1008s

Definitively explains a lot and I think it is easy to take these lessons and transfer them to the OP hand.

Ok so if we are going to be picky, then yes I am aware Monker uses abstractions to reduce game size so its not 'perfectly solved' but when solvers are putting weaker hands in our coldcalling range here then thats the best we have to play this spot 'correctly'. Maybe I shouldn't have said it as such a certainty but many places have fairly comprehensive RFI, calling/3betting and response to 3betting preflop ranges for tournaments calculated using Monker.

For me, this is the best play to go to (and to deviate from when adjusting to specific opponents/reads).

Otherwise I'm unsure how you can state this is a fold without anything more indepth backing that up - if you choose to deviate from these charts as standard for other reasons then thats up to you.

I think you posted the same video twice. But he doesn't provide any explanation at all, he only says it plays very well as a 3b.

I provided my rationale, too much risk of being dominated vs an unknown UTG opening range. I would rather play it as a 3b than a flat because you can happily toss it to a 4b and play vs his weaker call range.

lol oops see the corrected link