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04-15-2019 , 02:59 AM
So I noticed partypoker has this option and i know pokerstars and 888 you can do this as well with the correct software. I know people use it because on partypoker, you start off with such a deep stack. I have never tried it fully because of a few reasons. However, i do like thats much more simple since its bb stack size like 20bb as oppose to say 300000 chips.



1. Do you prefer playing in BB as oppose to chips? For someone who is not that good and quick at math, isn't this really good because you dont have to calculate such as okay bet 3000 chips on flop, then playing around with the chip slider to see how much to bet on turn to get stacks on the river? That to me seems to be a very good benefit of it. Many times i notice when i bet on flop or turn, i notice i have way too much chips left to jam the river. Thus had i bet bigger on earlier streets, i would have now been able to bet pot size river.


Such as blinds are 1000/2000. You have 70000 chips or 35bb. BB has say 60000 chips or 30bb. You raise to say 2x and bb calls. Now there is around 5.5bb so to speak. And there is about 28bb effective. So you could bet 2bb and get called. Pot now is 9.5bb with 24bb effective instead of it being in chips and being longer to calculate especially if you are playing lot of tables. Thus if you want to jam river... you could now say bet 5bb on the turn and size the river to bet a pot size bet of 19bb to put the other player all in.



Do people like it because of this?



2. The issue why i do not use it is because even though this feature would make it very simple to calculate bet sizes and pot odds, isn't the biggest disadvantage when someone bets and its hard to interpret their bet size? Example someone betting 2bb into 5.5bb or betting 15bb into 18bb... as oppose to say someone betting 10000 into 26500? Or 152000 into 183022 chips? Because with the bigger numbers as oppose to stack size, does anyone feel like they could get more reads on someones bet size when its numbers as oppose to stack size? Thus looking at that bet size make you look at it more like value bet or bluff etc?


Of course you have no idea if the other player is playing stack size to bb. So example when they bet very small amounts, they might be just betting the bb as oppose to chips. The only thing that i think of might be... change the stack size of BB back to stack size when you have a tough decision such as a bigger bet? Example when someone bets 15bb into 18bb on the turn or river, sure thats a big bet... but i feel like looking at the actual chips he is betting might give you a clue to it? I think it would feel strange thinking about a decision and instead of looking at my opponent bet 220000 chips into 304000 pot... its 15.2bb into 18bb etc.


Does anyone agree/disagree with this?
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04-15-2019 , 03:00 AM
Do more people who play mtt play with the BB option or more just play as is? I feel like this is great because bet sizing is much easier this way. Thus bet 2bb into 5bb or 2bb into 6bb etc. But if you interpret bet sizing, i think it might harder. I notice lot of players who stream, most do not use this option. Im guessing its because looks weird for audience? Do most players not like this? I think if you do this, probably do it if you are say very deep stack?


Im wondering if there is some common ground on this such as what others think overall of this. I think its great for making bet sizes and sizing flop, turn and rivers and raises. But looking at someones bet size and analyzing it doesn't seem that good right? When i tried playing with this, i thought its harder to get reads this way on bet sizes. Does anyone here actually feel the opposite or most feel the same?
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04-15-2019 , 08:37 PM
It is great when you are multitabling, allows you to have a quicker overlook of entire table's stack sizes. THat's the biggest advantage for me thus far.
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04-15-2019 , 09:11 PM
Great when multi tabling as mentioned. You can use PT4 to display BB beside a player as well so you can view both.
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04-15-2019 , 10:07 PM
Well you could have the bb stack shown for players as well. But i meant like betting with BB.


The other issue though is what about in progressive tournaments? Isn't that an issue though when someone jams and you have to add in pot odds but everything is in BB? So in progressive tournaments, you have to like immediately change it to the actual chip stack to convert the new pot odds? Or do just calculate it as is? I think its hard to do this unless theres an easier way?


Also does anyone here think doing the BB stack is good when you are super deep stack but say when its 40bb or less, make it regular chips instead? Or do most of you keep it in BB the entire way?
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04-19-2019 , 10:06 AM
I like to play in chips but I don't mind displaying my # bbs on my hud
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08-03-2019 , 06:52 PM
what percent of mtt players do you think play with this as oppose to chip stacks? The advantage is you know how much bb you have and you are betting in bb.


So its like okay if you want to get stacks in by the river, its easier to calculate this by saying okay bet 5bb into 10bb now... then bet 12bb... then 24bb on river etc as oppose to say chips right?


The big issue i have with this is when other players bet into you, do you think its tougher to get a read on someones bet size because of this? Like when someone bet 1.8bb into 6bb... its tougher to read than someone betting say 2300 into 6400. I know its the same thing but say on the river... someone bets 18bb into 23bb, seems tougher to read then when someone betting 5300 into like 6600 right? I could imagine okay when other player is betting into you... change it to bb stack size? But everything else, use bb? I find it tough when playing regular stack sizes when you are bigger stack because by the river, you find out... okay i didnt bet enough on flop and turn to bet river unless i overbet. Thoughts on this?
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08-05-2019 , 05:27 PM
Use SPR to get in stacks by the river
You are over complicating things. Yes it's better to see all the stack in the table as big blinds and the reasons are not required because it's obvious.
Betting in big blinds it is the same... Size your post flop beta in relation to the pot as %. Know the breakeven percentages of your bluffs, value bet with proper sizings vs the expected calling range
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