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09-25-2018 , 05:54 PM

JayKon

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Middle of a MTT.

Blinds $200/$400

Hero: $7,200
V1: ~$6,500 Been raising lite (AJo, KQo, KJs, etc and has c-bet 100%).
V2: ~$4,000 Just joined the table 5-6 hands ago and saw V1 raise light twice.

We are the three largest stacks at the table.

Hero UTG w/AKo limps hoping V1 will raise, so I can 4-bet.
V1 raises to $2,200
V2 shoves for $4,000 (door is open for V1 to 4-bet)
Hero?

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09-25-2018 , 05:59 PM

SHIP_DAT

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AK with 18bbs just gii

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09-25-2018 , 06:11 PM

El|Duderino

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I'm never limping AKo from any position, except from sb to limp jam sometimes vs an aggro. I'm min opening hoping to 4 bet jam. Depending on when blinds go up, if soon, maybe just rip it. Profitable shove. As played, calling 100% of the time. Over 5x is an odd sizing, but AKo is still a go for me here.

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09-25-2018 , 07:03 PM

adriang

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V2 is doing this with TT+, AQ, AK, maybe even AJ and 88+ if he believes V1 is a maniac. I think I couldn't find a fold here. Also we have 18bb, how bad can it be ?

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09-25-2018 , 07:20 PM

bearer

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You're asking whether you should flat to induce or ship I presume.

Ship.

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09-25-2018 , 07:27 PM

JayKon

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Originally Posted by bearer

You're asking whether you should flat to induce or ship I presume.

Ship.

Flat never entered my mind, this is ship, or fold.

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09-25-2018 , 07:30 PM

SHIP_DAT

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Ya it's not fold that's for sure

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09-25-2018 , 08:35 PM

JayKon

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What about stack preservation?

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09-25-2018 , 09:22 PM

SHIP_DAT

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There's 3 combos each of AA/KK. 6 combos of all smaller pairs we race with. 9 combos of AK we chop with there's 12 combos of AQ alone which we have dominated which is 2x as many combos as dominate us. I will put AJ in V range as well and now it's 4x. I'm pretty happy to gii here.

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09-25-2018 , 10:28 PM

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JayKon

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I ran a Pokerstove:

Hand 0: 33.635% 27.57% 06.06% 19457244696 4277874426.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 41.155% 36.67% 04.49% 25876418700 3165454098.00 { 88+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 25.210% 22.59% 02.62% 15939899136 1849737024.00 { JJ+, AJs+, KJs+, ATo+, KTo+ }

And (even without it) I knew the pot odds were there, so in a cash game, assuming you're properly rolled, it's a call/shove. That's not really the question.

Is this slight edge enough to risk your tournament life when you have a sizeable stack to begin with?

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09-26-2018 , 02:32 AM

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cizixap

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I would
1) min-raise pre and 4-bet shove in case of 3-bet
2) AP fold.

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09-26-2018 , 03:11 AM

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bearer

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Originally Posted by JayKon

Flat never entered my mind, this is ship, or fold.

You provided the answer key in the OP. Vill 1 raising light, Vill 2 had seen Vill 1 raising light.

Creative line, you got what you induced, now pull the trigger.

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09-26-2018 , 03:16 AM

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Corpsey

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Your plan was to limp to induce action to gii.

You limped.

You induced action.

Follow through with your plan.

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09-26-2018 , 03:22 AM

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JayKon

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Originally Posted by bearer

You provided the answer key in the OP. Vill 1 raising light, Vill 2 had seen Vill 1 raising light.

Creative line, you got what you induced, now pull the trigger.

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Originally Posted by Corpsey

Your plan was to limp to induce action to gii.

You limped.

You induced action.

Follow through with your plan.

Both very, very true and if was folded back to me, easy shove. However, villain 2's shove has me wondering if I should reevaluate the plan. Remember, we're playing for stacks mid way through a tournament.

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09-26-2018 , 03:58 AM

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adriang

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That shouldn't really scare you. If this is stars then MTT payouts are so flat til the last 3-4 spots that you should be playing the MTTs to win, which means you should be taking more risks like this. If this is the bubble or very close then maybe, just maybe you can be a bit more conservative if you really want to mincash, but I probably would still GII.

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09-26-2018 , 07:27 AM

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bearer

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Players, especially tighter players, would rather bust out of a tournament with a "good hand" than a good spot.

They'd rather jam 55 with 8bb into utg with no fe and flipping at best than open jam 97s on the button. They'd rather cold 5bet jam JJ than run a triple barrel bluff even though the latter are way more profitable.

So Vill 2 saw a pretty hand like AJs* and decided that was a hand he was allowed to bust out with and was not backing out for anything.

*Obviously we know he had AA which is why you're posting

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