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02-01-2012 , 07:05 AM
Is it correct to 3b shove here ~10bb. Thinking about it after the hand I think he is only raising here w AA - KK as he only has ~11bb. All other hands I think he would be shoving pre.. No reads as only played a few hands.

Is it correct to shove here with the short stacks in play and the payout structure being:
1-2= $2305
3-6= $500
7- $76


    Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (10,000/20,000 blinds, 2,000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11758152

    SB: 544,082 (27.2 bb)
    Hero (BB): 190,334 (9.5 bb)
    UTG+2: 202,328 (10.1 bb)
    MP1: 100,480 (5 bb)
    MP2: 147,200 (7.4 bb)
    MP3: 88,920 (4.4 bb)
    CO: 257,120 (12.9 bb)
    BTN: 53,536 (2.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q Q
    UTG+2 raises to 50,000, 6 folds, Hero raises to 188,334 and is all-in, UTG+2 calls 138,334

    Flop: (402,668) 3 8 T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (402,668) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (402,668) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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    22$ FT ICM spot from BB - QQ Quote
    02-01-2012 , 08:24 AM
    W/ 10 bb and QQ always shove
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    02-01-2012 , 08:29 AM
    [ ] icm spot
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    02-01-2012 , 08:29 AM
    It`s turbo, right? Or even hyper?

    99+/AQ+.
    Maybe even lighter if you would describe the villain.
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    02-01-2012 , 10:44 AM
    op should obv do this --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTH4KNiMyjU
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    02-01-2012 , 04:47 PM
    yeah just fold here getting under 10BB's in with pocket queens can't be good. Wait for a better spot
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    02-01-2012 , 07:12 PM
    Shoving 10bb was not my question. My question being with 3 stacks under 5bb and with such a top heavy payout structure would it be more profitable to simply wait until they bust? I know it seems nitty or whatever but villian had only ever (in the ~25 hands) open shoved all hands. So surely with the stack sizes he is not 2.5xing/folding to any shove. Even if he had AKs we are only like 53% so do we take that small +ev with the chance of busting or do we wait until the next 4-5 hands where we are guarunteed $500.

    So, what hands do you think he could have here?

    And, what hands do you think we can shove here profitably (taking into consideration the short stacks on the table and the top heavy payout structure)?
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    02-02-2012 , 12:03 AM
    ITT we search reasons for for beeing resultsorientated / moneyscared
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    02-02-2012 , 12:52 AM
    This is a satellite?
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    02-02-2012 , 01:29 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mo3rtelmu
    ITT we search reasons for for beeing resultsorientated / moneyscared
    What a great response!

    I dont see how it is being result orientated/money scared? I just simply wanted to know if it is a +ev call.
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    02-02-2012 , 01:42 AM
    if you can't figure out that it's a +ev call then unreg pre
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    02-02-2012 , 01:47 AM
    You have to play to win I clearly shove here. Even though it may seem like you can out grind the shorter stacks you are not in a safe spot and cant wait around till they get knocked out . You never know what could happen they can double up and you'll be the short stack on life support. You have to be patient and smarter tghan the short stacks but still have to take advantage of the oppurtunities you get. With 10bb with shorter stacks You have to get it in with QQ everytime unless you have a tremendous read. If you run into a big hand oh well what can u do just be a cooler spot. Move on to the next, You have to play to win not cash!
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    02-02-2012 , 08:03 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ICYN
    Shoving 10bb was not my question. My question being with 3 stacks under 5bb and with such a top heavy payout structure would it be more profitable to simply wait until they bust? I know it seems nitty or whatever but villian had only ever (in the ~25 hands) open shoved all hands. So surely with the stack sizes he is not 2.5xing/folding to any shove. Even if he had AKs we are only like 53% so do we take that small +ev with the chance of busting or do we wait until the next 4-5 hands where we are guarunteed $500.

    So, what hands do you think he could have here?

    And, what hands do you think we can shove here profitably (taking into consideration the short stacks on the table and the top heavy payout structure)?
    Sounds like he could have all hands? or anything really..

    You gotta call here and give yourself a chance to win..

    If this is a satellite you need to be more specific about the details.
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    02-02-2012 , 09:56 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ICYN
    What a great response!

    I dont see how it is being result orientated/money scared? I just simply wanted to know if it is a +ev call.
    C`mon mate. Relax.

    It`s a basic hand w/ an easy shove.
    Simply you`re wrong assuming he can have AA-KK only.
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    02-02-2012 , 10:26 AM
    shove,stop waiting around for everyone to bust,get a big stack and then you can bully the table or even wait for them to burst as you are now sitting on a big stack
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