When working somebodys stack size out do we use bb's or adjusted bb's?

I have been playing some dym's lately and have been trying to work out what my winnings look like, I just read this



Is this the correct way to work it out, because I noticed they dont take rake into account with there calculations, shouldn't that be included?.

Thanks

Probably some use adjusted bb and I expect some people still think in terms of M as well, but most people just use bb.

If you want to use something else then that's fine as long as you are clear, you are consistent and you understand the measures that you are using and what they mean.

bb is a lot easier imo

It is correct, and nowhere does it mention that the rake is being ignored. Why do you think that it hasn't been taken into account?

I assumed it had been left out because its talking about $5 sng's but doesn't mention the $0.50 cent rake.

Not many people use Harrington's "M", because it's stupid (if you have half the number of seats filled at the table your effective M is half the number you would normally calculate).

When people say they are using "M" they are normally using "CSI" (chip stack index) from Kill Everyone which is the effective stack divided by the CPR (cost per round i.e. the total dead money from blinds and antes) and is the same as Harrington's M at least at 10-handed tables. (the distinction might seem pedantic but every once in a while in MTTSNG a new poster would come along who was calculating M in Harrington's way and this problem would be solved if we all called it CSI)

I find CSI easiest to use because I play on a site that prints the CPR as the initial pot size in the middle of the table at the start of each hand. For live play BB might be easier -
though I just calculate the new CPR at the start of each level and don't worry too much if we have 8 or 9 players as it doesn't make much difference.

the problem is when you in the heat of the moment and have 10 seconds to act there is so many factors you should be thinking about least of which how deep one is, this should be really fast, just use bb imo coz its really simple then that can free up your mental energy and time to thinking about other factors in the hand which will lead to you making better desicions

I think it depends on the blind structure you play. If antes are consistently (e.g.) 0.1 of a BB then it doesn't matter much as long as you are using push fold tables calculated for a given stack size in BB assuming that there are antes.

Where I play, blinds get all the way to a tenth of the starting stack without antes (i.e. we can easily be in push-fold without antes), and introducing them means your CSI is only sixty percent of what it would be without antes. You can't use the same tables for both situations so either:
a) you always use BB and learn two separate tables for with and without antes
b) you use CSI or "effective BB".

Option b) seems easier to me.

But I don't see why BB is simpler than CSI. In both cases you have to divide your stack by a number and both the big blind and the CPR (i.e. total dead money) are numbers that are printed on the screen. Why is dividing by one of them easier than dividing by the other? Also if you learn CSI based tables they are good for any blind structure whereas BB ones have to be changed every time you move into a game with no/lower/higher antes.