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01-13-2019 , 11:31 AM

timbota_alex

newbie

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 32

PokerStars - 600/1200 Ante 125 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 25.89 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 20)
BB: 20.86 BB (VPIP: 22.03, PFR: 13.21, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 59)
Hero (UTG): 7.3 BB
MP: 15.1 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 14.75, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 66)
CO: 8.74 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
BTN: 19.61 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)

6 players post ante of 0 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.12 BB) Hero has Q

Hero raises to 7.2 BB and is all-in, [color=red]

Hi guys,

I've started to play some mtts after a long period of pause. I played cash in my past.
I have a situation which I'm not sure about, and i want to improve.
Here we are at the final table. It's my shove right? TY

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01-13-2019 , 11:35 AM

oldgoat

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,972

yes nh ul

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01-13-2019 , 12:44 PM

Pouled

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 476

Super standard

With shallows stacks at the table, big cards got more value. Better to push this than 76s T8s 22-77

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01-13-2019 , 12:57 PM

ffsh

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 308

that might be a pretty marginal $EV value close to 0. do you have the payouts structure?

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01-14-2019 , 05:14 AM

Czech Rays

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,645

I think it's probably more valuable to study how you ended up so short. You need at least 15bb to be able to exercise any kind of edge. Floating into these spots is not good.

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01-14-2019 , 07:52 AM

Whia

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 123

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Originally Posted by Pouled

Super standard

With shallows stacks at the table, big cards got more value. Better to push this than 76s T8s 22-77

It's significantly more +ev to jam low pockets here then hands such as QJo even though it's a clear jam

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Originally Posted by Czech Rays

I think it's probably more valuable to study how you ended up so short. You need at least 15bb to be able to exercise any kind of edge. Floating into these spots is not good.

I'm this short all the time it's completely normal to find yourself this short if you lose an all-in or just can't pick a hand you can shove. That being said OP would probably benefit from checking out PUSH fold charts.

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01-14-2019 , 08:54 AM

ffsh

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 308

so here is an example of icm push fold for hero in one of the payout presets in ICMizer

JQo is +$EV but it's really marginal.

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01-14-2019 , 09:03 AM

Pouled

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 476

With 7bb i don't push with ICM $...
Being the shortstack and with 2 tables running (payouts doesn't change much) , try with +cev

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01-14-2019 , 11:18 AM

oldgoat

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Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,972

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Originally Posted by ffsh

JQo is +$EV but it's really marginal.

But people call way too tight on final tables - so it's pretty clear +$EV

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01-14-2019 , 02:33 PM

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FreakDaddy

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 18,059

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Originally Posted by Czech Rays

I think it's probably more valuable to study how you ended up so short. You need at least 15bb to be able to exercise any kind of edge. Floating into these spots is not good.

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01-14-2019 , 02:34 PM

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miguelin43

adept

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 820

One question for you guys

I know in this spot we are the shortest stack but nevertheless we can still "hurt" MP and CO...when we are short but still can hurt medium stacks should we play aggresively vs them and tighten up a litltle bit vs big stacks

I know this is not the exact spot as we can get called by big guys at the blinds , just a general strategy question....

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01-15-2019 , 04:09 AM

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ffsh

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Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 308

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Originally Posted by oldgoat

But people call way too tight on final tables - so it's pretty clear +$EV

Calling ranges in ICM mode are controlled by the bubble factor and in general they are tighter than than non-ICM ranges, so people are doing it all right. Yes, it's +$EV push, but it's really marginal. Personally I would prefer to fold here and see if CO guy will be busted.

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