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Old 05-05-2013, 01:44 PM   #126
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Re: mttsng roi / itm

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thank you all i just wanna improve and my style always was tight wizard helped me a lot to this but looks that i am still kidna tight...
i am now working on my game in the later game when i dont have a shoving stack which i think is my main weakness
When you dont have a stack, you want to get your stack in with decent equity. What hands have decent equity?
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:50 AM   #127
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Re: mttsng roi / itm

have same stats
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Old 05-08-2013, 02:21 AM   #128
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Re: mttsng roi / itm

seen you a lot of times in 1$ 90 max mttsng, one time met you in headsup, doing the same thing, made deposit about 3 weeks ago 10$ and started playing 0.5$ 90 and 360 max, now plaing 1$ 90 max and have bankroll somethin about 140-150$. so, how much did you have when you moved up from 0.5$ to 1$ , and to 2.50$, i'm kinda afraid of downswing and wanna avoid it.
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Old 05-08-2013, 02:49 AM   #129
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Re: mttsng roi / itm

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seen you a lot of times in 1$ 90 max mttsng, one time met you in headsup, doing the same thing, made deposit about 3 weeks ago 10$ and started playing 0.5$ 90 and 360 max, now plaing 1$ 90 max and have bankroll somethin about 140-150$. so, how much did you have when you moved up from 0.5$ to 1$ , and to 2.50$, i'm kinda afraid of downswing and wanna avoid it.
well around 100$ i start playing a mix of 0.50$ and 1$ i usually play 12-16 tables and 1$ loads to slow to play only these...

my experience with 2,50 was not the best i just run so bad its amazing i did a try when i reach 400$ and in the first 2 days i drop to 200$... after that i tried again on 500$ and again in like 2-3 days i drop down to around 300$!! i did my third try when i had 550$ but this time i mixed 1$ with 2,50$ so i start playing 10 sng of 1$ and 2-4 sng of 2,50$ and worked better for me

now i still playing a mix of 1$ and 2,50$ with a bankroll of around 650$ i have seen the bad face of variance in 2,50$ and i am still afraid to only play 2,50$ i guess i need some more time.

so my advice is when you try on 2,50$ dont play only these if you are playing many tables! i aslo think you need a bankroll of 400$ +
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Old 05-08-2013, 02:55 AM   #130
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well around 100$ i start playing a mix of 0.50$ and 1$ i usually play 12-16 tables and 1$ loads to slow to play only these...

my experience with 2,50 was not the best i just run so bad its amazing i did a try when i reach 400$ and in the first 2 days i drop to 200$... after that i tried again on 500$ and again in like 2-3 days i drop down to around 300$!! i did my third try when i had 550$ but this time i mixed 1$ with 2,50$ so i start playing 10 sng of 1$ and 2-4 sng of 2,50$ and worked better for me

now i still playing a mix of 1$ and 2,50$ with a bankroll of around 650$ i have seen the bad face of variance in 2,50$ and i am still afraid to only play 2,50$ i guess i need some more time.

so my advice is when you try on 2,50$ dont play only these if you are playing many tables! i aslo think you need a bankroll of 400$ +
thnx for your story , it's useful for me, so i usually play about 8 tables cuz my computer doesn't allow me more) a mix of 0.5 and 1$ like you
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Old 05-08-2013, 04:22 AM   #131
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The swings can be nuts. I've been playing $2.50, $3.50r and $8s and already had a run of three min-cashes in 55 games over a sample of 400, yet my ROI is 50-60% over the same sample!

Play lots of them, review your play and run good!
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:17 PM   #132
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Re: mttsng roi / itm

Definitely play more aggressive. Doesn't necessarily mean you have to play loose, just think of how you can take advantage of your image (whatever that may be). Don't be happy with an 11% roi though. Even though you just started, push yourself to become better. Just keep playing and definitely have a positive attitude, because everyone runs bad at one time or another. If you keep level headed when you're losing, you'll be a winning player in the end.
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Old 05-12-2013, 02:18 PM   #133
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Moving throught 180 Man turbo on ps

Hello to all ,
Wondering whats the best way to moving throught This type of mttsng. When i start to play the 2.5 my goal was to move to 8$ when i had 2400 ( 300 bi) in my account , This is enought ? I dont know if its better to start with 3.5 rebuys or mixing both.
I Played 1.3 k and i have a rói of 30 % in 2.5$ , the time to move is coming and i want to handle it with calm . There are many diferences between the fields in 2.5 and 3.5 rebuys/8$ ?

Would like to hear something from you guys , your moving up experiences and whats your bankroll limit to moving up and the differences of your roi ,and the field.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:13 AM   #134
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Re: Moving throught 180 Man turbo on ps

Sadly, the jump in buy in from one to the other at the micros is quite large (2.50 to 8.00). The 3.50 rebuys are 9.50s at least (rebuy instantly and then add on as a minimum) and there is far more gamble in the early stages of the rebuys, especially in multiway juicy pots. Pokerstars is missing something in between - perhaps a $5.50 or something.

As for having $2400, if youve ground that up from nothing just by playing 2.50s then you are going to do ok at the 8s. The 8s do have a better quality reg in them but the recreational players are just as bad at the 8s as they are at the 2.50s. With 300 bi it should be enough to see you move into this level.

I suggest mixing 2.50s and 8s to start with and avoid looking at the top left hand corner to see the buy in when making your move - dont play scared, play exactly the same way.

Most of all, make notes on who the regs are and their calling ranges/shoving ranges, especially bvb and from the btn/co. That info is gold.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:43 AM   #135
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Re: Moving throught 180 Man turbo on ps

Hello NoSuprises , thanks for the reply.

I agree with you , i dont understand why pokerstars dont have an intermidiate level between 2.5 and 8 , i think it was better to everithing , since exist so many players that play 2,5 because they dont have bankroll to move to 8$ but have bankroll to move to 5$ ( it's my case).

For me its impossible to play 4$ 180 normal speed because i only have 3 hours/day to grind .

What's the meddium ROI in 8$ mttnsg for a regular? in 2.5 i have ~30% over 1200.
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Old 05-15-2013, 03:38 AM   #136
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Re: Moving throught 180 Man turbo on ps

I like the 3.50s because many players drop out before the addon period. You may need a larger bankroll to handle the swings but they are very profitable.
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Old 05-15-2013, 04:20 AM   #137
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Re: Moving throught 180 Man turbo on ps

3rs = softest games on stars.

And for those who dont wanna jump from 2s til 8s bc its to much of a gap. Just start mix them 50/50, then youll get and avg buyin of 5$.
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Old 05-15-2013, 07:46 AM   #138
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Re: Moving throught 180 Man turbo on ps

Hi Pauleta, I think we're in a similar situation now. I have only played 1100 of them so far this year and even though my tracker says I have a 62% ROI I am pretty sure it is mostly a hot streak and will probably balance down to something lower over a larger sample.

I know this because I used to play the 180s a few years ago and had the same thing, a nice looking ROI after 700 tourneys so I jumped up to playing at a higher level and crashed so badly I stopped playing the game for 2 years.

Well I'm playing so slowly now (which is easy because of my heavy work schedule) and I won't be moving up until I am sure I can maintain some consistency and/or at least have the discipline to drop back down if its not working out.

I think your 300BI idea is sound though. My own limit has been 250BI to move up and if I fall below 200BI I drop down. As for the 3:50rebuys, I think they are deceptive because like NoSurprises said, you are actually paying 9.50 usually.

Good luck!
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:33 AM   #139
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Re: Moving throught 180 Man turbo on ps

Definitely 3.5r. Lots of regs but lots of fish either. There is significant value in that 20-30 players bust before add on where the play begins so its like overlay. Bigger stacks so bigger edge so smaller swings.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:49 AM   #140
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Re: Moving throught 180 Man turbo on ps

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3rs = softest games on stars.

And for those who dont wanna jump from 2s til 8s bc its to much of a gap. Just start mix them 50/50, then youll get and avg buyin of 5$.
This. I've started playing a mixture of $2, $3r and $8 and my average buy-in is just under $5 over my last 500 games
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Old 05-18-2013, 11:24 AM   #141
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Attainable $1 & $3.5 45 Man ROI's? (Non-Turbo)

As the topic says, what would be attainable ROI's at these stakes? I'm currently running 28% ROI over a very small sample (108 tournaments) at the $1 45 mans.
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Old 05-18-2013, 12:19 PM   #142
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Re: Attainable $1 & $3.5 45 Man ROI's? (Non-Turbo)

Really really high. Especially the in the $1, which is just a joke, I would guess a 45 specialist could do 50%. All rather academic though, who would care!
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Old 05-18-2013, 01:46 PM   #143
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Re: Attainable $1 & $3.5 45 Man ROI's? (Non-Turbo)

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Really really high. Especially the in the $1, which is just a joke, I would guess a 45 specialist could do 50%. All rather academic though, who would care!
That high huh? sounds nice! Would you consider it safe to tackle these reg speed tournaments with a 100 BI roll? I'm mainly talking about the 45 and 90 mans as i know 180 mans tend to be a bit more swingy.
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Old 05-18-2013, 03:05 PM   #144
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Re: Attainable $1 & $3.5 45 Man ROI's? (Non-Turbo)

Yep, 100BI should be comfortable for the micro buy-in 45 reg speeds. That is if you have the basics, read this forum, and think about your game etc.

I can't speak to 90s I'm afraid, but perhaps someone else can help.
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Old 05-18-2013, 03:08 PM   #145
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Re: Attainable $1 & $3.5 45 Man ROI's? (Non-Turbo)

I dont think 50cent/game in the one dollar games is attainable.

Today i had to skip the $7 18men games because they are dead.
I used to have 11% ROI over 2000 games what is pretty good and now its getting downward, and there is no coming through in these games.

And i am not running under EV for that last period on 60k Hands i am still + 4bb/100 but -800$

There is a serious game change going on, and it came pretty rapidly, like over night.

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THe $3 45 are also pretty dead, went down from 20% ROI to like 13-15% roi in the last year, that why i tried the 18men...
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Old 05-18-2013, 06:08 PM   #146
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Moving up to 1$ 90man turbos-questions

How many BI's would you need for those? Currently i have almost 100BI.

And is there any big difference between:
- difficulty level of $0.50-45man and $1-90man ?
- play style between 45 and 90 man?

And what kind of swings can you expect? Havent had more then a 10BI downswing over the last 300 games in the 45mans, but im guessing that aint gonna happen in the 90mans
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Old 05-18-2013, 06:45 PM   #147
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Re: Moving up to 1$ 90man turbos-questions

at least 200 bi for all above 18men, i had a 100bi swing in the $7 18men lately though i had a really constant winrate over 2000 games, and thought a really predictable varaince...but you can never be sure what happens next!

And as i saw, poporella and fidstar poker had the same experience like me thwe last 2k games.
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Old 05-19-2013, 05:08 AM   #148
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Re: Moving up to 1$ 90man turbos-questions

The possible downswings and therefore bankroll required is a function of your ROI. It's hard to answer the question without knowing how good you are.

You've ran pretty good if you've had no more than a 10 buyin downswing in the 45s though - even these small field MTTs are high variance games.

I've never played a 90 before, but I've seen these very pretty graphs in a previous thread that might interest you.

http://www.deucescracked.com/blogs/b...ability-Graphs
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Old 05-19-2013, 05:55 AM   #149
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Re: Moving up to 1$ 90man turbos-questions

Those are some pretty confronting graphs.
I'm not really sure how good i am myself. Was going bad at first, but then i worked on my game alot and it got better.

My first 500 games had a roi of -2% or something, the last 300 is 50%.
Might also be a big swing, who knows...


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Old 05-19-2013, 06:04 AM   #150
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300 games is a super small sample, some grinders play 100 a day.
100 buy in's should be plenty for the $1 90 mans for an average winning regular.
Good luck.
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