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 04-20-2013, 12:21 AM #101 blackrussian newbie   Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: cocktail !!!!!! Posts: 32 Re: \$8 180 players and \$3R+ u need at least 3200\$ for the 8s and 4900\$ for the 3+
04-20-2013, 07:21 AM   #102
Xhisorzz1
adept

Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 856
Re: \$8 180 players and \$3R+

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 Originally Posted by blackrussian u need at least 3200\$ for the 8s and 4900\$ for the 3+
variance is higher in 8s, around 3K is def ok for 3R

 04-21-2013, 05:07 AM #103 RunninMan5K old hand     Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 1,509 Re: \$8 180 players and \$3R+ So, if you are playing a 1r/1a rule in the 3.30r and then the 8.00, and play an even mix of them, your average buy-in is \$8.65 (9.30+8.00= 17/2 = \$8.65), but we will assume sometimes you are reloading in the rebuy or busting before that and opt to not re-buy, so you have might be at an average buy-in of \$9.40 (6.30+15.30+8.00+8.00 = 37.6/4 = \$9.40), so somewhere between 8.65 and 9.40 x 500 buy-ins would be \$4325.00 and \$4700. Yes, more conservative, but you won't be reloading, and if you need to step down to 2.50-4.40 range for awhile, you always can, rebuild, and come back up BR suggestion is \$4325-\$4700, a very conservative one...
 04-21-2013, 10:11 AM #104 Mirrchri newbie   Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 20 18 man regular to turbo i currently play around 4-6 18 man micros at a time. Im playing purely to increase my bankroll to transition fully to tournaments. My question is would it be better to play only turbos for the increased hourly rate despite variance?
 04-22-2013, 06:08 AM #105 ydys centurion   Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 124 3.5r attainable roi? is it possible to have roi over 30%? what are your roi's in these games? and what sample do i need? 2k games?
 04-22-2013, 06:26 AM #106 ontemu centurion   Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 185 Re: 3.5r attainable roi? Yes, 30-40% is attainable. Idk about sample size, but 2k games sure as hell isnt even close to being enough.
 04-22-2013, 03:40 PM #107 Mirrchri newbie   Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 20 Re: 18 man regular to turbo bump
 04-22-2013, 04:17 PM #108 Robinho2611 old hand   Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brighton, UK Posts: 1,327 Re: 18 man regular to turbo Which format do you enjoy the most? This is most important - you'll excel at something you like better. If you don't mind swings, turbos will probably give you a higher hourly rate. It's a very broad question. I'd have to know you personally to answer the question. It's impossible to say "turbos are better" or whatever. Just get a good sample in both and see what you prefer / what's more profitable
 04-22-2013, 08:31 PM #109 fidstar-poker I'm gonna need a hacksaw     Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Spaining Posts: 23,192 Re: 18 man regular to turbo most people don't have the same ROI in turbos as regular. Generally (and I mean generally) people have higher ROIs in regular as you get to play more poker before the push fold part of the game (i.e. reducing the luck factor). But those games obviously take twice as long. So you need to do the math yourself. If your ROI in regulars is 20% and only 5% in turbos, then regular is the way to go for a better hourly. If your ROI in regulars is 20% and only 15% in turbos, then turbos are the way to go for a better hourly. You also need to take into account how quickly they fill up too. I know the 45 man regulars take ages. I would love to play only regular, but it wouldn't be feasible as it takes forever to fill.
 04-23-2013, 04:52 AM #110 mckrogh Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 6,419 Re: 3.5r attainable roi? 50% at least!
 04-23-2013, 08:55 AM #111 siebenacht veteran     Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,494 Re: 3.5r attainable roi? 50% is doable, but the very best regulars in the game make in most cases not more than 40% (at least the guys i searched on sharkscope). For sure there are a couple of higher stakes players which would make 50%+ if they would play these games regularly. One can be quite satisfied having over 25% in these games btw. Especially considering that this game dried up quite a bit the last years.
 04-23-2013, 01:06 PM #112 avramia enthusiast   Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 91 Re: 3.5r attainable roi? Do you guys take rebuys and addons in consideration? The average buy-in is 10- 11\$. I doubt anyone makes 5\$/game.
04-23-2013, 05:14 PM   #113
Mirrchri
newbie

Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 20
Re: 18 man regular to turbo

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 Originally Posted by fidstar-poker most people don't have the same ROI in turbos as regular. Generally (and I mean generally) people have higher ROIs in regular as you get to play more poker before the push fold part of the game (i.e. reducing the luck factor). But those games obviously take twice as long. So you need to do the math yourself. If your ROI in regulars is 20% and only 5% in turbos, then regular is the way to go for a better hourly. If your ROI in regulars is 20% and only 15% in turbos, then turbos are the way to go for a better hourly. You also need to take into account how quickly they fill up too. I know the 45 man regulars take ages. I would love to play only regular, but it wouldn't be feasible as it takes forever to fill.
Iactually find myself playing better in the turbos despite it only being a \$1.50 set of games. The load times are very fast i have counted 5 filling up before one regular 18 man does

 04-23-2013, 06:19 PM #114 ImDaGuts newbie     Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 34 Re: 3.5r attainable roi? i think good regs make 1-1,5\$ a game.
 04-23-2013, 09:50 PM #115 skeptix grinder     Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: not even close Posts: 668 Re: 3.5r attainable roi? Sharkscope not entirely accurate for rebuys. They calculate ROI based on average buy-in. If you're like me, and only play one bullet at a time, your actual ROI will be well more than what Sharkscope reports.
04-24-2013, 02:28 AM   #116
Daniel1979
grinder

Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 466
Re: 3.5r attainable roi?

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 Originally Posted by skeptix If you're like me, and only play one bullet at a time

04-25-2013, 09:59 PM   #117
siebenacht
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 3,494
Re: 18 man regular to turbo

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 Originally Posted by Mirrchri Iactually find myself playing better in the turbos...
You just answered your own question.

 05-04-2013, 02:55 PM #118 w4ts centurion   Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Greece Posts: 147 mttsng roi / itm Hello i was looking my roi and itm stats which i guess are not that great... good news is that i am new at mttsng i start playing 3-4 months now starting with a bankroll of 20\$ from 0,50 and now playing a mix of 1\$ 90man and 2,50\$ 180man and a bankroll around 600\$ sample is around 3,5k tournaments roi is around 11% itm around 20% can i have any conlusion for these stats ? i noticed that the good regulars i have search have much smaller itm and ofcourese much bigger roi which means i guess they are more aggresive and maybe shoving wider or something any help ?
 05-04-2013, 06:02 PM #119 alausgerejas enthusiast   Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 66 Re: mttsng roi / itm Be more aggresive and shove wider.
 05-04-2013, 07:54 PM #120 fidstar-poker I'm gonna need a hacksaw     Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Spaining Posts: 23,192 Re: mttsng roi / itm Be happy, sounds like you are going ok.
 05-04-2013, 09:46 PM #121 g8y5t9 banned   Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 55 Re: mttsng roi / itm Fold AA on the bubble so you get more cashes.
 05-04-2013, 10:13 PM #122 kwanho1 adept     Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 716 Re: mttsng roi / itm Adjust to all of your opponents. If you can do that, you'd be doing better than the good regulars. You shouldn't be thinking about ROI/ITM. You should be thinking about making adjustments to different types of players.
05-05-2013, 12:07 AM   #123
action10
journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: ig0titman
Posts: 204
Re: mttsng roi / itm

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 Originally Posted by kwanho1 Adjust to all of your opponents. If you can do that, you'd be doing better than the good regulars. You shouldn't be thinking about ROI/ITM. You should be thinking about making adjustments to different types of players.
i agree

 05-05-2013, 02:48 AM #124 w4ts centurion   Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Greece Posts: 147 Re: mttsng roi / itm thank you all i just wanna improve and my style always was tight wizard helped me a lot to this but looks that i am still kidna tight... i am now working on my game in the later game when i dont have a shoving stack which i think is my main weakness
05-05-2013, 12:36 PM   #125
brpoker_pr0
journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 264
Re: mttsng roi / itm

Quote:
 Originally Posted by kwanho1 Adjust to all of your opponents. If you can do that, you'd be doing better than the good regulars. You shouldn't be thinking about ROI/ITM. You should be thinking about making adjustments to different types of players.
One thing leads to another.

OT: You are doing fine, keep up the good work.

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