If your good, expect to earn about $3 an hour 12 tabling the 50c 360man.

Hi Guys
In general, when you talk about moving up, do you mean the buyin or the number of tables ?
In terms of adding more tables, I am currently just playing one table 180 SNG, as I am learning and I dont see why I would add more tables when I cannot win at 1 regular. What would be a good sample winning number to add more tables ?

For starting out at the 180's i'd honestly play 4 tables, playing 1 table you will get soooo much downtime if you feel you can't do 4 do at least 2. It will double the amount of spots you are put in to learn from.

If you aren't winning at 180's while 1 tabling don't worry. They are a sample game so you will win over time if you are winner you can't expect to win once a week if you are doing 3-4 a day tbh if you are 1 tabling. I'd try focus on hitting 4 tables at once at your current stake personally.

Roll would be around 200 Euro.
Bit isnt it that the 2,50 180man hás much more regs?
Making them harder and bitt more variance ?



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I dont like the 360man because the blinds go up every 3 minutes, which is too fast even for a turbo IMO.

I think you can mix the 90man and 180man.

Why dont you consider playing the 45man as well?

The 45's i believe i will have a lower $ p/hour.
This because less money in the pool and less places ITM.

I havent checked out the blind levels yet !

At this moment i'm very much orientating to hit the 360's.
Finishing in the top 5 should make me more $ than finishing in the top 5 of the other 0,50 buy in's.
Also im guessing that the players are weaker ( even more recreational players ) than in the 90's or the 45's ( 45's where new grinders start mostly on their stake before moving to 180's ).

With more weaker players in the 360's i should be able to get big stacks very early with my premium hands. This allows me to make more deep runs and with 36 places ITM my variance should be lower and have a very good ROI in them compared to 45's or 90's.

I will most likely combine the 360's (0,50 cent ) with the 0,50 cent 180man. And rather play the 0,10 360man instead of the 0,50 90man's to fill up my sessions in low traffic hours.
After those and running up a good roll i aim at playing the 90man's for 1,- buy in.

It's hard to say if you are winning at those if you play like 10 games a day. I don't think that less than 1000 games in a meaningfull samplesize to know if you are a winning player or not. (Even more might be better to have a more acurate estimation of your true roi.)
I would say get at 4-6 tables as fast as possible and when you are more comfortable with push shove ranges start adding more tables.

Is there a particular type of SNG you would recommend. ie: Turbo, Hyper 90 man, 45, 180 for beginners ?

If you have any interest in grinding SNGs for a living or supplemental income at some point, you should start with turbos. 45s and 180s are both fine. 45s might be better as you will get to the end-game more often.

One question about the Turbos and/or Hypers
There must be huge variance in these, given that there seems to be a lot of "all in" moves coin flips , in many cases just any two cards
Is there a way for a edge to be gained in these ?

Could you please explain this? And when should you move to the normal speed games?

surely you should start with non turbos while you learn the game and then move to turbos

Yes, by having a better push/fold game than others.

I think you should start with Non turbos and then move to turbos. Non turbos are simpler and probably easier to beat. I think you should play the game you like the most and try to learn it as well as you can instead of asking people what you should play. If you don't like the game you are playing, your chances of winning are much lower.

hello everyone i just need your opinion about a downswing i am having last month
i am feeling and believe that i am really unlucky cause of variance when i am playing big pots deep in a sng (i am playing 3.5r 180man)

here are the graphs for this month (6-7 days) all in preflop chips and bb





here is the graphs from the entire downswing around 30-40 days





am i missreading these graphs or i just run bad atm?

thank you

That's not a downswing really. All in EV stays constant so all good anyhows

Completely new to SNGs, what would be the best tournaments to start at with a $150 BR?

1$ 180s if you have time or 1$ 90mans turbo/ 50c 180s turbo.

Hi guys,

Played 45-mans and 180-mans alongside MTTs for some time last year, then took a cash game break over christmas, but got bored very quickly with the monotony of cash games, so have decided to go back to MTTSNGs and MTTs for a bit.

Just wanted an opinion on my lifetime graphs for $2.50 180-mans and $1.50 45-mans:

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180-man

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45-mans

I know my volumes aren't super, but I struggle as I am currently at university studying Biomedicine, so because my course has a lot of contact time I don't have a great deal of time to play or study.

My main questions are:

- Can I consider myself a winning player in both of these formats?

- Is the downswing on the 45-man graph at the end normal over this volume? Is it indicative of major leaks or standard variance for a mediocre player? I did feel like I was consistently running into the top of peoples' ranges over this downswing, but I don't really know if this is poor range analysis on my part or just bad luck.

- Should I stop playing and study only for a while?

- Am I likely a losing player on a heater for the first 500 games of 45-mans? Could this also be true of the 180-mans?

Sorry if I'm not posting the right thread guys, just let me know where to post this if it is in the wrong place and I will be happy to do so.

i've just had a quick look at the 45 man resuts

looks like you've played around 700 games. variance for 45 mans over 700 games works out at around 76 buyins or $114 at this level

that means you have a 68% chance of being +/- $114 of your expected profit after 700 games. that's a spread of almost 22% ROI. for a 10% ROI player for example that would be a range of between +$219 and -$9.

32% of the time you be outside of even that range so you see 700 games isn't enough for an accurate judgement

the big downswing looks to be about 80 BI. that's rare and you probably have been unlucky to hit one in the first 700 games. i had an 85 BI downswing last year which was the biggest i've ever experienced. that was followed by a 135 BI upswing without anything more than a 10 BI losing sequence. that's how it can go. nothing is impossible

mbj, your sample is still a bit small, but you are likely a winner in both formats since you don't lost right off the bat. Right now everything is possible, but like i said, if you were a big loser in these games, you would have likely lost right away.
Don't expect not to have something like a 300+ BI downswing. Especially if you are new.

Just get more volume in, work on your game and try to have fun while playing. Everything else will settle.

Thanks to you both for the quick responses! I'll continue to study alongside playing, and hope to get some volume in over the year. I've reset SS for the 01/01/2014, so lets have a big profit by the end of the year!

study and practise is good

good luck!

Hey!

Is this any good to grind to start building a roll??
I got a roll of $100 atm.

Hi,

I am new to online poker (6 months if it counts). So basically i followed the idea to focus on a single game that i thought i was good at and build my roll. I like to play 45 man turbos.

However as u are aware on stars there is no leaderboard for 45/180 man SNG's.

The battle of the planets promotion is valid upto 36 Players(which is weird as they equate 45 man with MTT's and assign TLB points).So even after putting volume u get no prizes.

So my question is i want to start playing 18 Man turbo's.
1. Should i switch to 18 Man or should i try to mix it up.
2. How different strategy wise 18 man will be from 45 man turbo's. P.s: i intend to play 1.5$ 18 Man turbo's only.
3. Has stars considered having a 45 man/180 Man leaderboard( i mailed stars support once, they told me that they have passed my feedback to their team, no reply since then)
4. Should i just stick to 45 Man SNg's as i have nice feel while playing those or does the BOP really make a difference?

P.S: Probably too many questions, but i want your opinions as i am still very novice

They can be but I would say that £100 is no where near enough for them.

Would advise you to begin with the 0.50c 90/180 man turbos