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Old 08-27-2013, 10:27 AM   #251
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Diffrerences between 2.5$ and 8$ 180 man turbo

Hi guys,

Can you tell me please what should I expect from the 8$ 180 man turbo on Stars, in terms of ROI in comparison to the 2.5 ones? I played so far around 8k games @ 2.5$ with an 21% ROI in the last 3 months, ~20 tables at once. I think that my skill could be a little bigger in terms of ROI because when I started I didn't know how to play very well, i was tight, didn't steal/resteal/call light to much etc. I would like to grind those two in the following months to increase my hourly as much as i can.

Any other suggestions/advices are welcomed, thank you!
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Old 08-27-2013, 11:55 AM   #252
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Re: Diffrerences between 2.5$ and 8$ 180 man turbo

Hard to estimate, but from my experience i'd say that 40% roi in 2.5's equals around 20% in 8's.

If I were you, I'd start adding 8's slowly and see how it goes. Prepare for possible downswings; lower expected roi means increased variance. 300+ buy-in downswings are standard.
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Old 08-27-2013, 12:42 PM   #253
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Re: Diffrerences between 2.5$ and 8$ 180 man turbo

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Hard to estimate, but from my experience i'd say that 40% roi in 2.5's equals around 20% in 8's.

If I were you, I'd start adding 8's slowly and see how it goes. Prepare for possible downswings; lower expected roi means increased variance. 300+ buy-in downswings are standard.
This.

Your roi over 8k games is pretty good so i would expect you to be a winning reg at the 8's. Try mixing some 8's and 3.5r in dependent on the size of your bankroll and see how it goes.
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Old 08-29-2013, 02:39 AM   #254
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Heart jump to $7.00 vs adding more $3.50 tables

First of all, thank you for being respectful if this is the wrong place to post this it's the first time i've checked in, in a long time

My question is to very profitable 45 man players out there. I play 4 tables at a time (3 50/50s which is irrelevant here.. and 1 45 man) usually between 15/30 a day. i crush the 3.50 45 mans imo and i'm ready to take a jump. I just don't know which one is the better choice.. if the 7.00 ones are just as soft as the 3.50 ones i'd much rather go that route but if they're tougher i'd like to add more tables. What are your thoughts for guys that have taken 1 road vs the other. Thanks
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Old 08-29-2013, 03:08 AM   #255
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Re: jump to $7.00 vs adding more $3.50 tables

This is on pokerstars FYI.
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Old 08-30-2013, 01:15 PM   #256
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Re: jump to $7.00 vs adding more $3.50 tables

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First of all, thank you for being respectful if this is the wrong place to post this it's the first time i've checked in, in a long time

My question is to very profitable 45 man players out there. I play 4 tables at a time (3 50/50s which is irrelevant here.. and 1 45 man) usually between 15/30 a day. i crush the 3.50 45 mans imo and i'm ready to take a jump. I just don't know which one is the better choice.. if the 7.00 ones are just as soft as the 3.50 ones i'd much rather go that route but if they're tougher i'd like to add more tables. What are your thoughts for guys that have taken 1 road vs the other. Thanks
There seems to be a drop in ROI between the 3.5 and the 7s, sometimes quite significant. But I would still start taking shots on the weekends so you can build your own sample and go from there.
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Old 08-31-2013, 05:56 AM   #257
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Re: jump to $7.00 vs adding more $3.50 tables

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First of all, thank you for being respectful if this is the wrong place to post this it's the first time i've checked in, in a long time

My question is to very profitable 45 man players out there. I play 4 tables at a time (3 50/50s which is irrelevant here.. and 1 45 man) usually between 15/30 a day. i crush the 3.50 45 mans imo and i'm ready to take a jump. I just don't know which one is the better choice.. if the 7.00 ones are just as soft as the 3.50 ones i'd much rather go that route but if they're tougher i'd like to add more tables. What are your thoughts for guys that have taken 1 road vs the other. Thanks
obv 7s are going to be tougher, what's your roi in 3.50s?
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Old 09-01-2013, 05:32 AM   #258
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

Can somebody please tell me difference between 45's 1.5$ and 90's 1$ SNG's? I have 200$ starting br and not really sure what to play. Also I prefer turbo sngs. And if one day I'm willing to move up to 3,5$ 45's, wouldn't be better to start with 45's? I remember them playing like year ago, but they felt much swingier than 90's.
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Old 09-01-2013, 05:41 AM   #259
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

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Can somebody please tell me difference between 45's 1.5$ and 90's 1$ SNG's? I have 200$ starting br and not really sure what to play. Also I prefer turbo sngs. And if one day I'm willing to move up to 3,5$ 45's, wouldn't be better to start with 45's? I remember them playing like year ago, but they felt much swingier than 90's.
I dont think there is a huge difference in the $1 90s and 1.50 45s but if anything I felt that the $1 90s were softer (that could of just been varience) and it could be due to the fact that the 1.50 45s load quicker so more micro regs play them compared to the $1 90mans. You are probably able to climb to a bigger stack in 90s too which can help you push people around on the money and ft bubbles more easier then in 45s.

It would be a bit hard to get in the volume to play 90s solely though maybe so Id suggest both or just the 45s.
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Old 09-02-2013, 05:37 AM   #260
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

Thanks for the answer. Yesterday played 52 sngs at 1.5$-45's, ended up -18BI. Not a problem, but maybe I should have started with 0.5$, so I get used to 45's final tables, I busted like 8 times on bubble with decent stack. At 45's ft stacks are +/- even and there is no huge chipleader, and I tend to push too wide or calling too wide, which normaly would work ar 90's, need to tighten up in some spots. But in the end, I ran 36BI below EV.
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Old 09-03-2013, 04:24 AM   #261
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

yes start with the 50cent ones to get a feel for them
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Old 09-07-2013, 07:31 AM   #262
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4.5/180 bankroll??

ive red faro's guide. is it really 800$???
i am a micro nlh fr player. and this bankroll is of a small stakes player.
i am not want to invest 800$ on my poker hobby, does it means that 180 mttsnt is not for me??? havnet seen on pokerstars a smaller 180 than 4.5.
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:56 AM   #263
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Re: 4.5/180 bankroll??

minimum 200 BIs for 45s, minimum 300 BIs for 180s
you got to have something wrong with your filters, there are 2.50$ 180s or 0.50$ 45s or 1.50$ 45s or 1$ 90s
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Old 09-07-2013, 10:54 AM   #264
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Re: 4.5/180 bankroll??

Maybe OP wants to play regular(normal) ones, the ones you've listed Bubble are turbos
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Old 09-07-2013, 11:35 AM   #265
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Re: 4.5/180 bankroll??

cant say for sure because ive never played those but 200 sounds about right. But keep in mind that 200 is assuming your a winning player and will ensure you never go broke.

So you could put a 100bi and play it chances are you will not go on a swing that big but it could happen, it would just be a more aggressive bankroll strategy. But if you want to make sure you dont go broke then it seems like 200bi is the way to go.
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Old 09-08-2013, 02:11 PM   #266
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

Got 740 dollars now and was thinking about mixing 3.50s and 7s (45-mans). What do you think about this BRM? I'd move down to solely 3.50s if I drop down below 550.



Here's my graph for the 45-mans. Didn't really start to study poker and stuff until the 300 games mark, which the graph shows lol.

My avg ROI is 17%, but being from sub 1k games, I doubt it's sustainable. I've also been playing the 18-mans to get more volume, and altough I beat them, I only have a 6,5% ROI on them for about the same number of games.

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Old 09-12-2013, 06:59 AM   #267
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

Hey guys new player here, so im playing the $2.50 180 mans on stars and would like your thoughts on something.



This is my graph and I was just wondering if this is a standard downswing? was i on a heater? because i don't really know what im looking at. ty
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Old 09-12-2013, 08:58 AM   #268
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

After only 250 tournaments it's impossible to answer your question. Come back please at 2500, 5000 and 10k and will discuss
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:06 AM   #269
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

Hi guys, 45man graph here.
No big mistakes found after sessions with good players. Stats the same as the good regs have. Never seen anywhere shiet like this is.
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:11 AM   #270
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After only 250 tournaments it's impossible to answer your question. Come back please at 2500, 5000 and 10k and will discuss
Will do!
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Old 09-12-2013, 12:19 PM   #271
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

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Hi guys, 45man graph here.
No big mistakes found after sessions with good players. Stats the same as the good regs have. Never seen anywhere shiet like this is.
It's not about the big mistakes but the lot of small mistakes that change everything.

Fix those and profit!

Possibly hire a coach if it doesn't change after that either, because they will see what we or you can't see.
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Old 09-12-2013, 12:31 PM   #272
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Building a bankroll playing $0.50 45/90 man +EV?

Hey guys I know that there is a thread for these questions but the thread doesn't look so active. Sorry for creating another thread like this.

Do you all think that it is possible to build a bankroll playing the $0.50 90/45man games?

If I grind everyday playing like 8 hours a day for 1 month is it possible to build a bankroll for $4.50 180 man regular speed? As I feel that I have a edge playing the regular speed 180 man compared to the 180 man because previously I was playing 2.50 180man turbo but have to move down as my bankroll seems to be burning pretty fast.

It was actually my mistake to just play 2.50 180 man with just 100Bi and now I learnt my mistake and decided to start with the $0.50 games but I am afraid that it will take months for me to build up from there. Or should I grind 5NL to fund my 180man games?


Need a solid advice as I am having a 4 weeks break from school and I decided to put my heart and soul to try to move up as fast as possible.
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Old 09-12-2013, 02:02 PM   #273
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It is possible even with less time, but you are better off playing for 4 hours and studying 2 hours.

There are some 90-mans you could also play.
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Old 09-13-2013, 03:15 AM   #274
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It is possible even with less time, but you are better off playing for 4 hours and studying 2 hours.

There are some 90-mans you could also play.
Okay thanks!

Are you a 45/90 man grinder too?
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:53 PM   #275
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

I grinded the 3.5 45-mans for a while and have played few lower ones and they are pretty profitable even for me who wasn't that good back then.

I play 180-mans myself.
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