ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread) - Page 31 - MTT Poker Strategy

Thanks for your responses. I'm going to play some very aggressive brm for a bit. and re-evaluate after Christmas or if i go down to $500.

I am going to mix in some 2.5 and 8's to lower the avg BI for a bit. such a jump to 3.5R in regards to variance as the avg BI for these for myself is probs just under $15.

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12-06-2015 , 07:38 AM

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nomalice

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im not good in calculations, but 8$s are pretty tough, i talked with few stables few months ago and all of them said that those tournaments are actually -EV to play, since stacks aint so deep and they're so reginfested... however,if u play in the morning,situation is different and there are much less regs,but less games also. have that in mind too. 5$ PKO is pretty ez tournament,altough actually only 1st counts in them in some way (payjump dif between 1st and 2nd ) .. so i would get em in too

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12-06-2015 , 08:11 AM

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URagnatha

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Originally Posted by nomalice

probs a noob question but whats PKO?

Are they saying $8 have a negative expectation? surely not?

If they mean they have a lower expectation then alternatives ( like the 3.5R) then yes im sure that's right . But i need to lower variance and may need to sacrifice some expectation in order to do so.

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12-06-2015 , 08:22 AM

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nomalice

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progressive knockout , 90 players

they're higher variance tournaments than 3.50rb because there are more regs,and edges are smaller because of smaller stacks

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12-06-2015 , 09:01 AM

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URagnatha

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Originally Posted by nomalice

progressive knockout , 90 players

they're higher variance tournaments than 3.50rb because there are more regs,and edges are smaller because of smaller stacks

Not for me at the moment then. I want to reduce variance. Also knockout means i would have to factor a whole load of considerations and peoples ranges would be very different in lots of spots.

why do you think its "ez tournament" if its reg infested and shallow?

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12-06-2015 , 09:34 AM

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nomalice

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Originally Posted by URagnatha

regs are bad and fishes just want to get your knockout, its kinda easy to exploit

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12-06-2015 , 09:49 AM

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URagnatha

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Originally Posted by nomalice

regs are bad and fishes just want to get your knockout, its kinda easy to exploit

ahh right sounds like im right about adjustments to format needed.

Im playing closer to a gto style (but a bit tight pre pushfold tbh) rather then exploitative play.

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12-08-2015 , 02:55 PM

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gfk_asbos

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can someone please post how a healthy red line graph is supposed to be looking cause I yesterday compared mine with another's grinder (talking about 180man turbos) and I got depressed. Also what's a decent bb/100bbs from sb/bb?

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12-08-2015 , 04:58 PM

#759

nomalice

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hmmm,mine is slooooowly going down,but rly slowly...

sb is fine if its -10 at most, bb -30

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12-08-2015 , 05:18 PM

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gfk_asbos

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Originally Posted by nomalice

hmmm,mine is slooooowly going down,but rly slowly...

sb is fine if its -10 at most, bb -30

aight, thanx for the info, I remember that my bb's is about minus 40 so I guess my sb's must be kinda off that target as well. Shall I just have a review on missed restealing spots or I should go deeper than that?

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12-08-2015 , 05:22 PM

#761

nomalice

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u could be spewy postflop from those positions also...dig deeper

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12-08-2015 , 07:57 PM

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gfk_asbos

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will have a closer look on this then, thanx again for the advice.

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01-04-2016 , 12:47 AM

#763

ThePokerBot

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Sorry to ask guys but cant seem to get shark working

What do people think are attainable ROIs in $2 180 mans turbo and $3.5 45Mans turbo?

Thanks

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01-04-2016 , 06:06 AM

#764

DonkeyPro

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where can i find some push/fold chart that is easy to understand?

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01-04-2016 , 06:18 AM

#765

ChipsNcrisps

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23...nk-you-824728/
Enjoy

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01-04-2016 , 07:36 AM

#766

DonkeyPro

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ty sir!

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01-05-2016 , 02:36 AM

#767

blank0909

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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23...nk-you-824728/
Enjoy

Why am I not able to download this?

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01-05-2016 , 08:14 AM

#768

ChipsNcrisps

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Originally Posted by blank0909

Why am I not able to download this?

Not sure pal, just downloaded it again & it worked fine.

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01-05-2016 , 12:17 PM

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Theodorus20

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Originally Posted by blank0909

Why am I not able to download this?

Where more exactly can't you download? pm me if you want a copy.

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01-06-2016 , 11:08 PM

#770

oldskool87

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hey pokerbot for $2.5 180s good regs can hit somewhere between 35-40%, not sure about the 45s as i dont play those

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01-10-2016 , 05:12 PM

#771

ThePokerBot

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Thanks oldskool for the 180 info. I just wish i could get sharkscope to work. Any anyone have any ideas about average and maximum ROIs for the $3 Turbo 45mans please let me know. Thanks

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06-01-2016 , 07:46 AM

#772

Charlie Yu

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Are these beatable or just a rake trap? What roi can a good player achieve?

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06-01-2016 , 07:39 PM

#773

Zarkhupi

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it's like swing fest in my opinion, with bounty involved and at these low stakes people don't fold at all which they probably shoudn't

3$ and 5$ KO mutlitables are worth a try.

but i guess these formats is more for fun action just forget about beating them just enjoy them

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06-02-2016 , 09:03 AM

#774

SteTruce

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rake too high! Avoid that game.
even 1$ 6max hypers super KOs are very bad because villains go maaaaad for a bounty!

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06-07-2016 , 07:56 AM

#775

middleposition

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Recently i started playing a higher stake after only 1.5k games! Beating the previous limit with a 10% roi and with a proper br decided to walk up! Now at 1.9k games im mixing the both stakes, and my roi kept raising to 16%! Wanted to know whats a decent amount of ganes to know my roi cuz i could easily be going throw a lovely period! Im mainly playing 27's some 45's and 90's when traffic allows so!

Last edited by middleposition; 06-07-2016 at 07:57 AM. Reason: U may say im lazy but im not! Play max 5-6 tables

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