Yeh I was going to say. OP was only asking if it was sustainable and what ya'll think. Is good thread

I meant 35-40. see my first reply in this topic.
But i'm curious if someone who grinds these 2.50's has a 40+roi over a minimal sample of like 15000 games.. I've never seen it. But maybe jorginho if he keeps crushing like this gl

When I can say I don't make mistakes or >95% of my plays are perfect then I'll consistently 28 table, but when I'm running bad I want to take extra time with every decision and possibly mark more hands for reviews hence fewer tables. When I'm running good just standard reviewing does me fine.
You could say that I should just be playing few tables until all my decisions are optimal, but when you're grinding a roll you also want to keep some volume up

Completely understand how being results orientated is the biggest villain in any players game, though.

you need about 2k to be confy...don't listen to all this grinders...it s ok to relax a bit at them...and if you play few tables it's ok...

well i have a 50% roi at an a.b.i. of $5 at the 180s over 6k games and have had 2 150bi downswings in that period so it definitely happens.

Hi ive started playing the 180s again on my own dollars...ive got 500 bucks on stars..im playing half 1 dollar 90 mans and half 2.50 180s. im worried i might go broke though. what do u think....??? im obv a winning player but had a bad session today and lost 80 bucks.... i cant just play the 1 dollar 90 mans as there soul destroying. i will love to just the 2.50s when ive got 1k online. whats the worst down swing have u heard about from a winning player ?

definitely possible to lose $500 playing those whether you're winning player or not

250+ bi downswings are pretty std in 2013

Thik your subconcious its playing tricks on you, cuz if u were a winning player (not saying ur not), you cant be worried of going broke, only reason why winning players go broke its for not having a proper/healthy bankroll management guidelines, they tend to trust their skill way too much and underestimate variance, i think $500 (200 buy ins) for the $2.50 isnt enough and thats why you`re worry.

400 buy ins its a lot dif and a healthy BRM rule, i personally would like 500 buy ins, especially for higher limits, but thats just me.

200-300 buy ins downers are very common and i have heard of 360, 380 and even more than 400 BIs downers, i have heard of 5k and 10k games breakeven streches, variance in those 180s its just sick and you need to have a very strong mindset if you`re thinking on grinding them on a daily regular bases, cheers.

first day i won 190..today i lost 80. maybe i should drop down to just the 1 dollars for a while then

Well played! You should not be complaining about winning $110 over two days. I don't know how many tables you play but it sounds like you've run slightly above expectation in two days. Expect losing weeks / months in these.

As for BRM, 500BI is nice and comfortable (mentally too). Of course it depends on your ability. 10,000 buy ins isn't enough if you're a losing player.

It's pretty unlikely you'll go broke starting from 500 (if you're decent), but def possible.

the swings in 180s can be big much bigger then 80 in a session, i'd suggest continue with the 90s and play say 1 2.50 for every 4-6 1s you play,

as others said above, 400-500 bi's for 2.50 180s is good cause the swings wont effect you emotionally

gl op

Hello everyone

at february i started playing sng's with a 20$ bankroll mostry playing 0.50$ 1$ 45-90 man turbo's today my bankroll its around 400$ and i guess its time to move up!

my roi was around 25% and i am 12tabling

my problem is that there is no buyin scale on 90man turbo that i really like the most... they should add more of those i guess

so i am thinkng that maybe the best senario is to start playing the 2.50$ turbos 180man cause i think the gameflow and strategy is close to the 90man turbos (maybe i am wronge).

so here is my questions!
What is a normal/good/godly roi in the 180man turbo for a grinder?
Is the 180man "game plan" close to 90man ?
Do you think i should try something else and not the 2.50$ 180man turbo's ?
How is variance in 180man turbo's ?
Any advice is more than welcome!
25% roi i am having on 45-90man 0.50$-1$ turbo's is considering good/normal/bad ?

thank you

Don't worry about ROI, your first concern should be improving your game. There's alot of threads about the 180's ROI, use the search feature

Basically yes.

U can try the $3.50 45man, less variance altough u should be more aware of ICM.

Worst than u might think

thank you for your anwsers

but still need some info about roi of 2.50man

25%/35%/45%, does that answer your question ?

variance should bother u more.

my first day on the 2,50$ 180man had a downswing of 50BI!

i hate then these happens !! why first day all the time :P
good news is that at the end of the session i manage to get 25BI back

Lol at counting downswings mid session, when you have games open don't look at the cashier.

i am not

i always looking my session graph just after i finished all tables!

you will have a hot run and then prepare for the real deal.150-200 bi down.

hey ive lately hit alot of varience in teh 180 mans dropping around 4k i grind the 350r 8 and 15, im just wanting to no of anyother regs going on swings like this , i no 4k dosnt sound like much but its affecting my mindset so proble just gonna take the weekend off and try again sunday,
so if theres any other reg would love some advice i guess and wanna hear about ur swings in 180 mans
thanks guys

shen broke even for like 10k games oO

thats crazy the varience hopefully some falls my way