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River trips against strange line River trips against strange line

08-16-2018 , 03:55 PM
No Limit Hold'em Tournament T1,500/T3,000
Buy-in: OSS #14 -$20,000 GTD
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9 players
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Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T61,377)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T17,450)
UTG+2 - UTG+2 (T119,042)
MP - MP (T53,006)
MP2 - MP2 (T84,923)
CO - CO (T28,375)
BTN - BTN (T78,849)
SB - SB (T49,744)
BB - Hero (T41,579)

Preflop: (T7,200, 9 players) Hero is BB with 8 7
6 folds, BTN raises to T6,000, 1 fold, Hero calls T3,000

Flop: Q 2 7 (T16,200, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: T (T16,200, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: 7 (T16,200, 2 players)
Hero bets T6,000, BTN raises to T34,200, Hero calls T28,200

Total Pot: T84,600
Hero mucks 8 7
BTN shows 4 7 (with Flush, Q high)

BTN wins T84,600 with Flush, Q high

PRE: I think standard? Too wide of a defend?
OTF: standard
OTT: I like betting here in retrospect, we can get value from single clubs or J9 I don't think the check is horrible but he puts us in a bad position if he fires 10k here
OTR: This line is so weird for villain, I guess he is repping 7x but obv we block that and might beat some of his value raising range like 76s 75s. I pretty much disregarded flushes from his range since the line would be so weird to check twice IP. I don't think we can fold here with the club and 7 blocker and our hand is just too strong
any thoughts about this hand?
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08-17-2018 , 03:05 AM
check-call OTR.
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08-17-2018 , 07:15 AM
Pre: Pretty standard
OFT: standard
OTT: check-call. I don’t really see how betting improves our situation as we just risk getting blown out of a high equity hand and instead of checking the turn you're now just checking the river.
OTR: I like the bet. I would just puke call this and call my best 7x like A7 K7 etc. and then some of my 7x with a club in them. It’s really not a line that gets bluffed to often so if you got some meaningful read that he is not the bluffing type I’d be okay with making a tight fold with this hand.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cizixap
check-call OTR.
Generally speaking BTN isn’t going to be very strong and there is a lot of value in bluffing him out of the hand so it’s generally pretty smart to also bet value hands in these spot. And if we aren’t betting this hand you only betting flushes and full houses?
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08-17-2018 , 09:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whia
Generally speaking BTN isn’t going to be very strong and there is a lot of value in bluffing him out of the hand so it’s generally pretty smart to also bet value hands in these spot. And if we aren’t betting this hand you only betting flushes and full houses?
Generally speaking what you said does not make any sense.
Bluff out what? never on the river you gonna fold out stronger hands in this spot esp with this tiny bet 40% lol. Weaker hands that checked two streets are not gonna pay.
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08-17-2018 , 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cizixap
Generally speaking what you said does not make any sense.
Bluff out what? never on the river you gonna fold out stronger hands in this spot esp with this tiny bet 40% lol. Weaker hands that checked two streets are not gonna pay.
Your logic continues to baffle me. You’re telling me it doesn’t make sense to have bluffs in this spot because you don’t believe I can’t get someone to fold a stronger hand? Yet you also tell me weaker hands won’t pay off my value bets?
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08-17-2018 , 02:35 PM
^^^ Yes, this is the exact reason of bet OTR does not make much sense - stronger hands do not fold, weaker hands do not call. If you don't understand this, I feel sorry for you(not really)
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08-18-2018 , 08:53 AM
This is the world's most trivially easy river bet ever. Like ever ever.

The discussion of this hand really has to come down to whether or not we're bet calling river. And since we probably don't have that many flushes (probably leading a lot of flushes OTT), and since we should probably consider Vbetting some of our strongest Qx OTR, and we're also going to have some stab bluffs here, this really is shaping up to be near the top of our range. Having the 8c really pushes it into being more of a call too.

This is one of those hands where it's really weird for villain to be bluffing, but also the value he has has taken a really weird line. I think we just have to bet/call river - curse at the monitor when villain somehow shows up with better, call him names when he shows up with worse, and definitely note the villain with whatever he shows up with for the future.

Edit: I think AP the line is pretty standard up until the river. Betting the turn is a bit thin imo, we've got a bluffcatcher - let's catch bluffs!
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08-20-2018 , 02:49 PM
Very strange hand, just have to bet-call the river I suppose.
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08-20-2018 , 03:57 PM
it's an odd spot - I think average V has so few bluffs here that we can maybe find an exploitative fold - very odd line to check air on flop and turn and then raise pot on the river.

I'd probably size river bet a bit bigger - V's calling range is likely to be inelastic here I think - so we can get more value from his pairs of 4s or whatever

Really don't understand the idea above that V will not call with worse - surely can have lots of weak 1 pair hands he can bluffcatch with.
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