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river shover against a TAG with top pair? river shover against a TAG with top pair?

06-14-2018 , 07:54 AM
    Poker Stars, $0.23 Buy-in (15/30 blinds, 4 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: 1,996 (66.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): 1,389 (46.3 bb)
    UTG+1: 1,426 (47.5 bb)
    UTG+2: 1,170 (39 bb)
    MP1: 2,949 (98.3 bb)
    MP2: 2,459 (82 bb)
    MP3: 1,916 (63.9 bb)
    CO: 1,357 (45.2 bb)
    BTN: 1,254 (41.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q K
    UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls 30, 2 folds, MP3 calls 30, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to 95, UTG+2 calls 65, MP3 calls 65, SB folds

    Flop: (351) K 8 7 (3 players)
    Hero bets 125, UTG+2 calls 125, MP3 folds

    Turn: (601) T (2 players)
    Hero bets 250, UTG+2 calls 250

    River: (1,101) 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG+2 checks

    Spoiler:
    Results: 1,101 pot
    Final Board: K 8 7 T 7
    Hero showed Q K and won 1,101 (627 net)
    UTG+2 mucked 5 8 and lost (-474 net)


    this guy are a TAG with the statistics: VPIP 17/PFR 16/3BET 8,2 (153 hands)
    should i bet a 3ºbarrel?few hands who he could have will pay me in his UTG+2 raise range in this board.only KA QQ KK AA,so i check the river to see his action.
    river shover against a TAG with top pair? Quote
    06-14-2018 , 01:45 PM
    Good tag players don't open limp preflop. V could have plenty of worse hands in his limp calling range that will call a shove on the river, and if they had a better hand then us we would've probably been raised on an earlier street. AP yes shove river and be happy about it.

    Also you should be raising much larger preflop when faced with all these limpers, at least to 4 or 5x.
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    06-14-2018 , 04:27 PM
    Yes raise bigger pre. I'd go to 150 there.

    17/16 villain limping utg+2 at 15/30 Is interesting. Probably a hand he really wants to play but is uncomfortable raising from that position, like a baby pp or small suited connector/gapper.

    As played bet bigger on flop. Wet flop and 2 villains so you need to get full value from drawing hands and thin the field. You don't want to give them good odds to continue wide.

    Turn I like the double barrel but go a bit bigger there too. Turn card is basically harmless and lots of draws still in his range.

    River no point in betting. All draws missed and will fold and if you bet and get raised, gross. So check to induce a bet from his whole range.

    Generally speaking top pair hands are not 3 streets of value, especially so early.
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    06-14-2018 , 05:28 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Darth_Maul

    Generally speaking top pair hands are not 3 streets of value, especially so early.
    If we were 100bb deep I would agree, but being 40bb deep top pair good kicker is more then good enough to get all the money in. As well the problem with checking is we allow V to check back hands like KJs or K9s that would probably call a river jam. As well some people will hero call a hand like a T on this river which makes our jam even more profitable.

    I also find at these stakes that people don't bluff nearly as much as they should, so we probably aren't inducing as much when we check.
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    06-14-2018 , 05:54 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sossinbergs
    If we were 100bb deep I would agree, but being 40bb deep top pair good kicker is more then good enough to get all the money in. As well the problem with checking is we allow V to check back hands like KJs or K9s that would probably call a river jam. As well some people will hero call a hand like a T on this river which makes our jam even more profitable.

    I also find at these stakes that people don't bluff nearly as much as they should, so we probably aren't inducing as much when we check.
    You might be right, at these stakes you might be better off going for triple barrel value than inducing a bluff with missed draws.
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    06-16-2018 , 06:13 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sossinbergs
    If we were 100bb deep I would agree, but being 40bb deep top pair good kicker is more then good enough to get all the money in. As well the problem with checking is we allow V to check back hands like KJs or K9s that would probably call a river jam. As well some people will hero call a hand like a T on this river which makes our jam even more profitable.

    I also find at these stakes that people don't bluff nearly as much as they should, so we probably aren't inducing as much when we check.
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