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07-11-2019 , 09:39 PM
$160 buy in 28 players. Blinds are 100/200 starting stacks 15000. I am up to around 17000 and haven't shown down a hand yet. It has been a year since I played in this game but my past image was tight aggressive.

There have been a few knockouts already we are 8 hand at my table I am in the big blind for 200. under the gun who is a tight good player opens for 600 the Hi Jack who is a tight aggressive player who has also won circuit rings calls the 600 everyone else folds to me And I have 5c5d And call the additional 400.

Flop comes2H 5S 8S. I check player 1 bets 500 player 2 calls the 500 and I call.

Turn is the 8H I check again player 1 checks player 2 bets 1000 I think for a minute and check raise to Three thousand. player 1 folds and player 2 asks how much and calls.

9h on the river . But here's where things get strange, he bets 1k out of turn. I know hes an experienced player so I think he may be trying to block with a flush or a small boat. I check raise to 6k. he immediately goes all in for 12k. I tank for about 3 minutes.

I have some experience with this player and he rarely puts himself at risk early in a tournament and I have even seen him check down or just call with the 2nd nuts in different situations. I dont think he has 82 or 85. But could have 222, 88, 89 or a flush.

I have 6k behind call or fold?
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07-12-2019 , 05:20 AM
Do you want to fold a full house? Wtf men
You are beaten by one combo of 88, 3 combos of 99 (not likely villain has this) 89 probably 3bet the turn ( only 2 combos of 98s left)

Super snap call!!! Tanking is kinda slow rolling here
Don't be result orientated... There is no way you can fold here
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07-12-2019 , 04:24 PM
First off, your formatting is incredibly hard to read. It took me a few reads to figure out the exact action. I would suggest looking at other posts so you know in the future how to post a hand.

Now, as far as the hand goes, you simply can't fold there, especially for a min raise. He could have 2s in his range, but it's unlikely. Yes it sucks that he can have 98, 88-99, but this is only 10 possible combinations. Think of all the flush combinations he can have, or even 8x combinations... and then look at the odds you're getting from the pot.

Also, the out of turn bet is super sketchy, and if it were my home game, I'd give him a good talking to and possibly not invite him again, since it sounds like an angle.
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07-12-2019 , 11:37 PM
Sorry it has been s long time since I have posted a hand.

Utimately not wanting to be a short stack and thinking he may have 22 Or a flush in his range I call.

He table's 89 of clubs And I am out.

Him betting the 1k out of turn on the river made me think for a second it might be a blocker bet to see the show down with a flush or small boat but then when he re raised all in I think I was too committed to fold.

I think I should have waited longer before I immediately raised to 6k on the river but even then do I just call 1k in that situation or is the raise the correct play?
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07-13-2019 , 12:08 AM
You shouldn't really consider it "raising" there. Since he bet out of turn, his bet is null. But yes, especially in live play, you should be trying to balance your timing. Betting so small out of turn really does sound like an angle, so that's pretty messed up for a friendly game, especially when money is on the line.

Also, I think it's worth pointing out that it is a logical flaw to think you're "committed" to a hand. You should be looking at the odds your opponent is giving you and the odds that your opponent is giving himself. Those are the two most important factors when making a decision like this. I'm not going to calculate the pot size OTR because it would take too long to go through the post again, but my guess is you're getting at least 5:1. You only need him to have a flush 16.7% of the time, in other words.

The biggest problem with this hand, imo, is the flat OTF. You definitely want to check raise flop here, 3way, for a multitude of reasons.
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07-13-2019 , 07:47 AM
+100000 to the angle shooting

I would ask the host to not invite this guy ever again.
I don't know the exact rule, but after betting out of turn I think he can't raise your bet. He only can call or fold. Anyone know this?
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07-13-2019 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by goldFishshark
The biggest problem with this hand, imo, is the flat OTF. You definitely want to check raise flop here, 3way, for a multitude of reasons.
What would be good sizing for the flop check raise?
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07-13-2019 , 02:17 PM
You're representing either a set or a draw (or air, but you have enough draws here that you'd be bluffing too much if you started raising air) with your raise, so it should be relatively larger. As a rule of thumb, the most ideal situation would be for you to be able to go all-in on the turn, since you could also do this as a semi-bluff with some draws. It's worth noting that people tend to overcall in these spots since the flush draw is such an obvious holding.
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