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River bluff or no? River bluff or no?

07-05-2021 , 08:46 PM
In the middle stage of an $11 MTT on Global.

30BB effective.

HJ opens 3xBB. I call in the BB w/ Q-J.

FLOP: 10-8-6

HJ cbets half pot. I call.

TURN: 2

HJ checks. I check.

RIVER: A

I've been working on adding more bluffs to my game and I'm curious if this is good spot? There's also the question of whether I should've simply folded the to the cbet on the flop here, but I decided to peel one of off and try for a bluff if any diamond hit the board. No reads on opponent.

Of course, I would've preferred if the river had been any other diamond due to there being fewer Ace-combos he could have.

Any feedback is appreciated.
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07-05-2021 , 10:10 PM
Seems like a pretty bad board to bluff for a few reasons. Mostly being that your range just isn't that strong after checking the turn and villain can have some rare Ax stuff and you also block everything you'd want villain to fold pretty much. If you had a single diamond it'd be a better consideration.
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07-07-2021 , 02:09 PM
We are OOP right? bb v hj? You switched the action order during the hand so it looks like you are IP on the flop and turn.

Flop call is standard with overs + gutshot.

I am betting the river here and if we have a diamond then I like a overbet shove to fold out some Ax. Villain really caps his range with a turn c back, unless he is also checking back Khi or Qhi flush draws, which I doubt.

There is still plenty of weak hands that beat us in villains c back range. KQ, KJ, pairs worse than Tx. We will run into Ax a decent amount but not enough to discourage a bluff attempt.
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07-08-2021 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ledn
We are OOP right? bb v hj? You switched the action order during the hand so it looks like you are IP on the flop and turn.

Flop call is standard with overs + gutshot.

I am betting the river here and if we have a diamond then I like a overbet shove to fold out some Ax. Villain really caps his range with a turn c back, unless he is also checking back Khi or Qhi flush draws, which I doubt.

There is still plenty of weak hands that beat us in villains c back range. KQ, KJ, pairs worse than Tx. We will run into Ax a decent amount but not enough to discourage a bluff attempt.
Ran a solve and it has hero folding this QJo combo to 66% size 100% of the time on the flop and calling all the QJo combos that have a diamond. Vs 33% size it calls all QJo combos so it's actually kinda threshold whether to call/fold.

We do gain equity and EV on the river. When given the option to bet 66%, 100% or 150% it wanted to check 80% of combos and 150% the other 20% basically. It wanted to pure check any non-diamond QJo combo and 150% size all the QJo with a diamond combos. The best combos are KxQd and then Kx7d and Kx9d.
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07-24-2021 , 08:14 PM
I know it's not the question you asked, but I'm uncertain about the flop call. If he'd bet 40% [or less] of the pot, I'd be fine with it. Or if you had one diamond I'd be fine with it.
But given no diamond and a half-pot bet, I'm not sure. I mean, it might be fine, but I suspect it's marginal at best.


As to a river bluff....

It's not a bad board to do so. There's certainly a lot of Ax you can represent in your range (particularly a lot of AdX would commonly be played exactly as you have). However, there's a whole lot of Ax in his range, too.....and I'm not sure you can get an ace to fold. You'd have to risk a rather large-sized bluff, imo, to get Ax to fold [and maybe it's not even reasonably possible, idk].

You can reasonably rep a made FD, or a slow-played flopped set, too. He's going to have some made FD's in his range, too. I saw another poster said he didn't think many FD's would fail to double-barrel, but I certainly think it's possible. I know some players will cbet the flop ip with a draw with the specific hope it buys them a free card on the turn.
Some worry about being faced with having to triple-barrel when the draw misses; others worry about getting c/r'ed off their draw on the turn.
So idk......I could potentially see K9, KJ, KQ, QJ of diamonds in his range. That's only about 4 combos though.


All this to say.....idk, really. Definitely not a bad board to bluff; it NEEDS to be fairly large bet, though. I don't see many made hands [esp Ax] folding otherwise.

I've been out of poker for a few years, though; so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
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07-25-2021 , 04:48 PM
Think you meant on the turn you check and HJ checks behind. I'd go for a smaller bet on the river here - the problem we have is when he has Ax he's always calling, so I'd bet to fold out possibly some mid pairs/kq, but expect to get called a fair amount
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