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river bluff? river bluff?

12-10-2018 , 09:13 PM
No Limit Holdem Tournament
7 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
Stacks:
UTG (906k) 26bb
UTG+1 (1,274k) 36bb
MP (87k) 2bb
CO (1,113k) 32bb
BTN Hero (517k) 15bb
SB (935k) 27bb
BB (1,231k) 35bbBlinds: 18k/35k Ante 4.4k
Pre-Flop: (83k, 7 players) Hero is BTN 10 9

4 folds, Hero raises to 70k, 1 fold, BB calls 35k

Flop: 4 3 Q (188k, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
Turn: K (188k, 2)
BB checks, Hero bets 62k, BB calls 62k
River: 6 (312k, 2)
BB checks, Hero 384703

BB defends a lot of hands and play agressively

what you think about river bluff ? what sizing ?

we blocks AT T9 QT JT but he can have 56 52 A3 A5 A4 A3 ace spade and a lot of flush draws because we dont block them , also he can have smalls 3 4 Q.

what you think?
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12-10-2018 , 10:20 PM
You're really way down in your range

Love your analysis, think you got exactly the right idea vs what hands you're blocking and unblocking. Unblocking NFD, wheel draw , AJ, 22 77, 88, 65, 5x w/ spades, etc (all better hands almost surely folding to river pressure) and blocking {Q9, K9, QT, KT} (likely snap-offs) make this a tempting spot.

It's easy to say having seen your hand but you should be pretty capped here since {AK} should be cbetting a lot, Qx too, AA, KK, etc--I do think you look super polarized but it's just such a tough call for V w/ like 3rd pair so I think you should go for it.

Size up turn, you'd prob want to go bigger w/ Kx since this is kind of a wet board for wide ranges. That also makes your river bet (could be for pot instead of 125% pot) a little less polarized IMO.

And flop should mostly be a bet anu probably on't need big sizing either. You get some K-high maybe even A-high to fold, put pressure on the underpairs, set up barrels for turn and river, and better realize your equity which isn't too bad actually (you generally ean outs+backdoor equity, OTF doubt V has top pair or better more than 10-15% of the time

Think you'll find the GTO strategy is mostly to triple barrel here

Last edited by jl121; 12-10-2018 at 10:29 PM.
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12-11-2018 , 06:51 AM
^ co-sign

1/3rd doesn't make sense on the turn if you think about the range that wants to start betting but as played, I'd bet river smaller.

Low ranking cards are efficient bluffs because you don't need to get pairs to fold to make money. You just listed a bunch of the targets that you unblock and they don't require overbet sizing to get off the pot. I'd generally reserve my overbets here for when I'm spazzing with Ax+ and I need some hands to fold.
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12-11-2018 , 07:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bearer
^ co-sign

1/3rd doesn't make sense on the turn if you think about the range that wants to start betting but as played, I'd bet river smaller.

Low ranking cards are efficient bluffs because you don't need to get pairs to fold to make money. You just listed a bunch of the targets that you unblock and they don't require overbet sizing to get off the pot. I'd generally reserve my overbets here for when I'm spazzing with Ax+ and I need some hands to fold.
on river its my stacksize not my ber or i dont understand you
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12-11-2018 , 07:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jl121
You're really way down in your range

Love your analysis, think you got exactly the right idea vs what hands you're blocking and unblocking. Unblocking NFD, wheel draw , AJ, 22 77, 88, 65, 5x w/ spades, etc (all better hands almost surely folding to river pressure) and blocking {Q9, K9, QT, KT} (likely snap-offs) make this a tempting spot.

It's easy to say having seen your hand but you should be pretty capped here since {AK} should be cbetting a lot, Qx too, AA, KK, etc--I do think you look super polarized but it's just such a tough call for V w/ like 3rd pair so I think you should go for it.

Size up turn, you'd prob want to go bigger w/ Kx since this is kind of a wet board for wide ranges. That also makes your river bet (could be for pot instead of 125% pot) a little less polarized IMO.

And flop should mostly be a bet anu probably on't need big sizing either. You get some K-high maybe even A-high to fold, put pressure on the underpairs, set up barrels for turn and river, and better realize your equity which isn't too bad actually (you generally ean outs+backdoor equity, OTF doubt V has top pair or better more than 10-15% of the time

Think you'll find the GTO strategy is mostly to triple barrel here
on river its my stacksize not bet

and also i will bet small with AK on turn for any pair call. 50%+ bet on turn will call only Q and draws ?! or you think it is -ev ?
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12-11-2018 , 09:08 AM
I' do go 170, 180k if you want to have a chance to fold a Q but you actually don't rep much with your turn bet. You could go smaller, like 110, 120k to fold missed draws. Going bigger doesn't make much sense and you want to leave yourself the chance to get a back a decent stack needing only one double up if the bluff does not work.
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12-11-2018 , 08:29 PM
Just bet the flop w/ both your backdoors. As played, turn is ok even though you don't rep much. River I'd just bet less to fold out 4x,3x and draws. The rest of his range, it's doubtful you're folding out including most Qx, especially for that sizing.
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12-12-2018 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
Just bet the flop w/ both your backdoors. As played, turn is ok even though you don't rep much. River I'd just bet less to fold out 4x,3x and draws. The rest of his range, it's doubtful you're folding out including most Qx, especially for that sizing.
you mean after turn sizing or river ? what sizing do you think better for turn river if we checks flop ?
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