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Old 02-19-2019, 12:29 PM   #1
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really weird spot w kk early stage 22pko

hey guys,

really sure I've made a punt here ...

but recs often play crazy these days.. do I just have to raise the flop oder just the turn ??

PokerStars - 25/50 Ante 6 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP+1): 59.88 BB
CO: 79 BB (VPIP: 16.96, PFR: 13.51, 3Bet Preflop: 9.62, Hands: 115)
BTN: 79.22 BB (VPIP: 22.81, PFR: 17.34, 3Bet Preflop: 5.94, Hands: 265)
SB: 156.66 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
BB: 49.6 BB (VPIP: 18.23, PFR: 11.17, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 195)
UTG: 65.7 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 14.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.84, Hands: 100)
UTG+1: 53.46 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP: 61.52 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

8 players post ante of 0 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.46 BB) Hero has K K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (8.46 BB, 3 players) 6 8 2
SB bets 5 BB, BB calls 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Turn: (23.46 BB, 3 players) 3
SB bets 13 BB, fold, Hero calls 13 BB

River: (49.46 BB, 2 players) A
SB bets 136.04 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 39.26 BB and is all-in

SB shows 8 A (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
(Pre 28%, Flop 20%, Turn 11%)
Hero shows K K (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 72%, Flop 80%, Turn 89%)
SB wins 127.98 BB



thx guys
very thankful for any help
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Old 02-19-2019, 01:55 PM   #2
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Re: really weird spot w kk early stage 22pko

Don't show results. But as I was reading the action I thought top pair or possibly a flush draw, and the Ace hitting the river is bad news either way. Too many combos have you beat to make the call there. Few small stakes players would risk a triple-barrel donkbet bluff.
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Old 02-19-2019, 03:36 PM   #3
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Re: really weird spot w kk early stage 22pko

We have limited info on villain but we do know that he limps from the SB. It doesn't mean that he is always a fish but it's an indication in that direction.
We are ahead on this flop a lot, and depending on how wide you are opening we will have a lot of flush draws. For that reason we want a 3betting range. Kings should probably be in this range, if you are opening pretty wide and have 22 in your range then maybe there is a case for not having KK in there but I think it's probably in there. Our range is going to be pretty polarized as far as 3bets so we can increase the 3bet size which will also let us GII on any non heart, non A turn.
As played, I still wanna jam turn. We are ahead on this board, we have equity-- let's defend it. We are getting calls from a lot of janky flush/combo draws and weaker pairs.
As played, river is terrible for us. Open jam, preceded by 2 donk bets. Technically we are still ahead here range wise but in practice Villian just won't continue with enough bluffs for this to be a call.
Don't forget that early in a tournament, the bad players still have chips. these are the hands/flops we want to punish bad players on.
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Old 02-19-2019, 04:20 PM   #4
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Re: really weird spot w kk early stage 22pko

With stack sizes, why aren't you jamming the turn? You want to max charge draws at this point. If he's leading into you like that as a rec player, then his range is usually going to be heavily draw based. If you just call the turn, then you have to depend on him bluffing river, which recs won't usually 3 barrel it off.
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:27 AM   #5
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Re: really weird spot w kk early stage 22pko

Great river to call a shove. Played fine imo
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:33 AM   #6
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Re: really weird spot w kk early stage 22pko

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Great river to call a shove. Played fine imo
Not that I disagree but can you expand? They shouldn't have many Ax hands presumably but we block diamonds but are we assuming villain doesn't jam a lower 2pr (86s etc) this way is why?
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Old 02-20-2019, 09:05 AM   #7
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Re: really weird spot w kk early stage 22pko

Although I agree the draws are heavy in this hand I think players will donk bet their flopped sets/2 pair hands much more now than before. When he does shove river on an A, you now can't beat the nutted draw that just got there.

From his perspective, the most obvious draw just made top pair so it's a great time to shove with a flopped set/2 pair. I don't think you'll see 3-barrel bluffs often enough here.
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Old 02-20-2019, 11:41 AM   #8
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Not that I disagree but can you expand? They shouldn't have many Ax hands presumably but we block diamonds but are we assuming villain doesn't jam a lower 2pr (86s etc) this way is why?
Lots of combos of Axdd/Axhh in his range...
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Old 02-20-2019, 03:59 PM   #9
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Re: really weird spot w kk early stage 22pko

i'd probably just give him credit and fold river. not many bluffs at low limit here.

turn shove is interesting
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Old 02-20-2019, 05:15 PM   #10
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Raise flop. The probability of SB being a decent player and leading a balanced well constructed range that's doing fine vs KK is ridiculously small, people who flats SB and lead flops are 95% of the time bad players who lead a merged range that we're crushing and that is not folding. And BB is NEVER slowplaying 2pairs+ so we're good there.
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Old 02-20-2019, 08:56 PM   #11
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Re: really weird spot w kk early stage 22pko

Thatís what I thought too, once BB calls the SB lead Iím always raising right there. If they both GII you can probably safely fold
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Old 02-21-2019, 12:18 AM   #12
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Re: really weird spot w kk early stage 22pko

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Lots of combos of Axdd/Axhh in his range...
They usually 3b them given sb wants to price out BB and BB wants to squeeze Axs hands.
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Old 02-21-2019, 09:44 AM   #13
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They usually 3b them given sb wants to price out BB and BB wants to squeeze Axs hands.
You can't assume that, lots of players are more passive in the SB than they should be. The fact that he flatted A8o in the SB confirms that.
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Old 02-22-2019, 09:24 AM   #14
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Re: really weird spot w kk early stage 22pko

Then you can't assume they have most Ax in their range. An anecdotal experience doesn't change how we should play overall obviously...
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Old 02-24-2019, 11:42 AM   #15
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Re: really weird spot w kk early stage 22pko

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Then you can't assume they have most Ax in their range. An anecdotal experience doesn't change how we should play overall obviously...
WTF !!

What hands are flatted from SB (weak) there days? Mostly pocket pairs and suited aces.
His range is full of sets and Ax suited bro. Open flopzilla before make some assumptions.
This is a trend in all of your posts .
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Old 02-24-2019, 12:28 PM   #16
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Re: really weird spot w kk early stage 22pko

Raise flop. You have an overpair on FD board with an SPR of 6 in a multi-way pot. I'm ok with getting all in on the flop and if they outdrew you, so be it.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:12 AM   #17
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WTF !!

What hands are flatted from SB (weak) there days? Mostly pocket pairs and suited aces.
His range is full of sets and Ax suited bro. Open flopzilla before make some assumptions.
This is a trend in all of your posts .
I'm sure they do flat some of their Axs hands just that they 3b a good portion of them as well.

I never said they don't have sets moron stop ****ing replying to me with this dumb **** honestly. I asked why it was a good river call in my original post saying that most their combos of Ax 3b pre and some flat. I mean yeah he has some combos of sets obv but figure 222/666 usually bet a bit more on the turn than under half pot so those are discounted.
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