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11-14-2017 , 12:11 PM

Colinb7

adept

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 731

Hi all,

Looking for default calling range here - I have 17 hands on villain so not much of a read. No idea if he's ICM aware, if so you would think hes doing this tighter than usual cos of short stacks. AQ/99?

Poker Stars, $7.34 Buy-in (1,250/2,500 blinds, 250 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37870815

Hero (MP): 32,590 (13 bb)
CO: 25,443 (10.2 bb)
BTN: 18,296 (7.3 bb)
SB: 18,456 (7.4 bb)
BB: 58,773 (23.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A

Hero raises to 5,500, CO raises to 25,193 and is all-in, 4 folds

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11-14-2017 , 12:51 PM

Kev1498

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 290

Snap call and happy about it.

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11-15-2017 , 04:14 AM

RPMcMurphy

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 235

Never wider than AJ+, 77+. Potentially calling tighter depending on players. In this particular situation, I might only call off AQ+, 99+. CO needs to be super tight here and I think even unknowns or fish will realize this with two other short stacks behind him.

Shoving pre is fine, too. Raise-calling might be more profitable depending on how wide each player will shove, but shoving also makes life easier if you think the bb will flat a lot and mess with you post.

Last edited by RPMcMurphy; 11-15-2017 at 04:27 AM. Reason: wanted to add something

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11-15-2017 , 08:50 AM

Afteryastack

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 421

As played call, but you should just be shoving this pre

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11-15-2017 , 04:42 PM

Rodream8

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 157

use icm to find out if the play is good.

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11-16-2017 , 06:04 AM

Colinb7

adept

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 731

I have. Icmizer suggests AQ/99+. Equally valid question is how wide do we think villain shoves here? I just felt shoving 13bb into chipleader with so many short stacks was icm suicide. Could be wrong!

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11-16-2017 , 12:08 PM

streetwalkincheeta

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,132

I don't think it's a great strat to start raise/folding hands that are very profitable openshoves.

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11-16-2017 , 04:07 PM

RPMcMurphy

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 235

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Originally Posted by streetwalkincheeta

I don't think it's a great strat to start raise/folding hands that are very profitable openshoves.

I almost always jam this pre to make life easier, but raise-calling everyone but the CO here might be more profitable than open-jamming (based on his sizing to 5500). I say might because after playing around with different FGS in Icmizer2, it gives us some different results.

Last edited by RPMcMurphy; 11-16-2017 at 04:15 PM.

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11-17-2017 , 03:56 PM

Rodream8

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 157

Open shove is clearly the best play, icm looks a little nity but without reads i REMAIN WITH ICM.

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11-18-2017 , 03:31 AM

#10

I'm on a boat

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I don't think raise folding off of these stack sizes is optimal. I don't mind raising in order to induce spews, but just shoving pre is also fine.

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