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Ran huge bluff late in stage, check out! Ran huge bluff late in stage, check out!

02-12-2018 , 04:18 PM
Hello guys

Ran this bluff late in stage, at this moment I was 11/40 left in the monster stack tourney!
Duuuude time bank called with 3rd pair, not sure if he is gonna make lots of moneys here against me long term, I am not making that much bluffs on these micro stakes 2e buyin. But after seeing that he is huge loser on sharkscope I Assume he is not there to make moneys anyway...
I feel good about my bluff spot feel bad that I decided to do it against totally wrong person.


What you think about this spot guuuys

- 80000/160000 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players[/b]
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 30.12 BB
SB: 21.66 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BB: 30.68 BB (VPIP: 26.74, PFR: 22.62, 3Bet Preflop: 17.24, Hands: 89)
UTG: 38.56 BB (VPIP: 27.87, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 62)
MP: 58.27 BB (VPIP: 23.73, PFR: 10.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)
CO: 11.92 BB (VPIP: 18.33, PFR: 3.39, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)

6 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.25 BB) Hero has 8 J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.22 BB, fold, BB calls 1.22 BB

Flop: (5.69 BB, 2 players) 9 T 5
BB checks, Hero bets 2 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Turn: (9.69 BB, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero bets 4.5 BB, BB calls 4.5 BB

River: (18.69 BB, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero bets 21.27 BB and is all-in, BB calls 21.27 BB

Hero shows 8 J (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 30%, Flop 31%, Turn 14%)
BB shows J 9 (Two Pair, Kings and Nines)
(Pre 70%, Flop 69%, Turn 86%)
BB wins 61.23 BB
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02-12-2018 , 04:25 PM
If you had Kx, which is what you're trying to rep, would you play it the same way?



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02-12-2018 , 04:51 PM
Umm I imagine that I would play KQ KJ KT K9 close to same, I also can have JQ this way why not
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02-12-2018 , 05:11 PM
I agree it is a big call for him but your range is polarizing. You have a K which c-betted the flop with air (or KT, K9) OR you are losing to J9. I don’t think there’s much of a difference in his spot with J9 or AA....he beats the same bluffs and is losing to the same shoves.

I think it’s a more believable bluff if you check back flop.

Also JQ....is super unlikely IMO. Raising pre and then not c-betting two overs and open ended??
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02-12-2018 , 05:58 PM
I did cbet flop here
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02-12-2018 , 06:31 PM
QJ could definitely take this line.

Kx probably not so much other than KJ since it blocks QJ. I think most Kx would check back the turn.

So besides QJ and KJ, TT/99/55, I don't think V is afraid of much else here. It's hard to see what else you'd try to get 3 streets of value with besides those combos. It's a tough call but I don't think he made a poor one by any means.
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02-12-2018 , 07:45 PM
Villain has a pretty good hand to call if we think of the blockers... He doesn't block the missed backdoor flush draw, blocks a set and a straight with the J. And I also think a king would check back turn (unless it's very strong like KQ or K10 etc) so you only rep sets and QJ, of which he blocks both... This is obviously a bit of a loose call, but in my opinion it's better to call here with J9 than AA or 10, because of the blockers... Also havng the 10 blocker wouldn't be so important for villain, because people mostly check top set on the flop.
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02-12-2018 , 09:09 PM
Nice call by villain. You can discard a lot of full house combos as unlikely to have 99 + raise from the button. It looks like QJ or nothing TBH most of the time. I agree if you checked the flop it looks way more likely to have a king.
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02-13-2018 , 03:44 AM
Bet sizing tells from hero and board pairing on the river just isn't the best card to jam.
Prob x/x/b here most of the time.
What do you think villain x/c your bet on the flop and the turn with? J7,87,86

Last edited by blank0909; 02-13-2018 at 03:53 AM.
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02-13-2018 , 06:40 AM
Bet sizing tells. Small bet/small bet/bomb is usually polarized/bluffy and should be called off with bluff catchers.

But then again, some players are calling stations.
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02-13-2018 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by blank0909
Bet sizing tells from hero and board pairing on the river just isn't the best card to jam.
I agree with both. Very hard to pull off a bluff against micro players when river pairs because they know it reduces the number of threatening hands. And I'm often suspicious of big river bets in spots like this. I wonder if you get a fold with something like a 12bb bet on the river.

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02-13-2018 , 06:30 PM
It's not a terrible line but the problem is that you only rep a boat, 3 kings, or a straight, all of wish from the button make it even less likely. It looks like it really just boiled down to the bet sizing, to go from so small on flop and turn to just jamming on the river looks suspicious, and looked more like you wanted him to fold as oppose to call. The way he's played the hand he's unlikely to have much of anything, so if you really had a strong hand you would want to bet something like 10-15BB in the hopes of a call.
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02-13-2018 , 07:30 PM
yeah so first thing I should look for further when considering to bluff to not do it when I raised from the BTN or CO I assume since I am so wide with range there
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02-13-2018 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Vai123
yeah so first thing I should look for further when considering to bluff to not do it when I raised from the BTN or CO I assume since I am so wide with range there
This might be one or your best hands to bluff, as it doesn't have showdown value and blocks a straight... But the river sizing is off in my opinion. You mostly have straights as your main value and sets (which turned into full houses on the river). You should make the turn sizing larger or make the river sizing smaller to increase your fold equity.
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02-13-2018 , 08:36 PM
The end of your post about picking the wrong person to bluff was my initial thought. Did you have stats or player notes on him? Also you could've shark scoped him before making the light open. There's a lot of free info out there. Take advantage.

Also, you don't have to open every button. I made some reasonable assumptions about your range base on the J8 open, and you'd be opening a 36% range. That's pretty wide, especially since you didn't have a good read on him.
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02-13-2018 , 08:44 PM
yeah solid grinder that's one of my leaks, many times im lazy to sharkscope opponents, I usually do it after the hand
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02-13-2018 , 10:11 PM
If you check turn you're obviously giving up and not betting river. River card is not great to continue the three barrel but I like the line some of the time, other times give up on the turn especially with that river.
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