I was watching a video of the Sunday Million Final Table 2012.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ulJg6x5_m8

I noticed there was some 3 and 4 betting with only 20-30bb stacks. Information raises, 2-2.2x. Do you think this would work in SSMTT? Maybe only at final tables?

Would be curious if anyone has tried this.

no one knows what works in SSMTT.

2012 is during the whole 3 bet, 4 bet light craze in internet poker. However, today it's a different world. If you have someone getting out of line with 3 bets, your going to have to 4 bet them light. However, 30 BB's deep is a little dicey, even min 4 betting. That would have you investing a decent amount of chips because you think your opponent is probably weak. I would lean to calling more 3 bets, and outplaying them post. And occasionally 4 betting my weakest range I'm raising, and calling with my stronger range.

i think this is a lie a lot of regs tell themselves to justify a call in borderline situations. maybe this is okay 40+bb and you're willing to float, bluff and reraise

@Havok

this was another hand on my mind when I posted this question

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23...ft-jj-1652794/

I think calling is the worst of the 3 options, I'd be curious for your take on it

In that example that may be an okay spot to do it. Read dependent. Your a little deeper. The only problem is one of two Villians could potentially shove AK and you may have to 4 bet fold the best hand. (AA, KK, or QQ likely of course) So I would like to know the 3 better is 3 betting a little too much before I make this play. If I know for example both the original raiser and 3 better are tight I may fold. If I'm indifferent, and I feel the original raiser won't 4 bet shove I'll probably just Call. If we flop a set, we may win a huge pot. Also, it's very rare your opponents will be betting huge on each street in a multiway pot and bluff. So I may peel certain flops and reevaluate on the turn. However, if I peel I would also like to know my opponent's betting strategies, what's the board texture, what did the other Villian do after the flop C-bet. There are a lot of ways to play this hand that I think are fine. 4 betting is definitely one of them, and I use a smallish 4 bet myself on occasion. However, it's better if your thinking of a reason to make this play, instead of as a default. By the time you make a final table, you should have some good reads to do so.

Edit: Also I want to add in your example Hero has position against Villian 1 and Villian 2, so that's even more reason to call rather than 4 bet. There is so many ways to outplay your opponents post flop when you have position.

Again this is situational, and player dependent. I watched your video on the Sunday Million and there was a hand where one player folded JJ to a raise and a 3 bet. However, if memory serves, it was a 3 bet of an early position raiser maybe UTG+1. Also, there were some huge ICM considerations since the Sunday Million with big pay jumps in the top 3, and shorter stacks than the player holding JJ. So I really like the fold in that spot. So much different things to consider.

Also, you said regs use my reasoning to justify calls in "borderline" or marginal situations. You absolutely have to get your self in marginal situations and outplay your opponents if you want to win. If you always wait around for the nuts your not going to make a lot of final tables.

what I meant to say was "justify a call, when the correct move should be to raise or fold."

It's also "old school" to mini 3bet/4bet light like this. Tonkaaa talks alot a about when he started to play poker. Just check his Vods on YouTube when he analyse old runs.

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