Hello all,

The main concerns here are UTG and CO who is 4betting for the fist time after a tiny sample.
CO could be isolating MP which look like fishy (sizing of 3bets) so it's hard to fold, but then UTG who seems on the nitty side so far is left to act.

We have a strong holding for our position, can we play it, and if so how, or easy fold ?

Edit: it's a 10€ donkament on winamax (la fievre)

Winamax - 300/600 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

UTG: 63.22 BB (VPIP: 15.15, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
MP: 75.39 BB (VPIP: 34.38, PFR: 28.13, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 33)
CO: 43.25 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 21.21, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 33)
Hero (BTN): 35.65 BB
SB: 56.73 BB (VPIP: 24.24, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 33)
BB: 41.58 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

6 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to 2.2 BB, MP raises to 4.9 BB, CO raises to 12 BB, Hero ???

Wow...

This is actually a pretty interesting spot you are in lol...

I guess my first reaction would be to 5-bet jam. I don't really see flatting a 12bb 4-bet on your stack size as a good idea. Post flop would just be a disaster.

I "think" 5-bet jamming here is totally fine. Unless others posters for some reason are against it. I'm curious about this spot too.

thanks for your answer and yup this is what i did, but i'll wait others answer to know if it's was right, cause the spot is nut hands heavy looool

you got 35bb's, I'm ok with whatever...

Without better reads I'd say it's an easy fold. Consider the hand from other players perspective. MP knows UTG is tight, sees him opening from that position and decides to 3bet anyways. CO knows UTG, who covers him, is tight and is opening UTG, there is a 3bet, and decides to 4bet having that information. Shoving QQ here without better reads on players is like shoving 22.

Could you explain why with that stake u do, as you called it "whatever" ?

I would be ok if sizing of MP was different. Here it's neither a click back nor a std 3bet size (4.9bb instead of 5.5-6bb). That did induces to read MP as fishy, and therefor CO might be isolating MP - that was what puzzled me here - and what make it not such an "easy fold" for me at least.

I ended up 5b shoving and MP called with AA

+1. Think jamming is slightly higher EV in this spot w/ stack sizes, especially since there will be some dead money.

So if we assign CO with JJ+,AK then jam hands that do well vs that range and fold everything else, tho he may flat/jam some combos of JJ and AK so we could slightly down weight those compared to the QQ+ so im proly folding JJ/QQ/AK and jam KK+

Assuming this is small staked mtts its a super easy fold. Now if this was the $25K SCOOP high roller it might be different.

I would jam any case, I think flat is the worst option.

are you making only troll posts or also real posts?

id say fold.

this action is usually very nutted.

depending on how much of a spewtard the mp player is, the spewier he is, the more likely co can have AK or JJ here. but for me to consider those hands, mp has to 5bet spew quite hard. and its difficult for co to have a read on his 5Bet spewyness.

this as a bluff from co vs mp seems optimistic, def vs fish.

just fold, if tourney is fishbowl there is plenty of other spots.

too marginal here.

probably easier said than done cuz its also 6max.

sometimes ull be against AK or whatever but we wanna look at overall, and just a little too much action here imo

How is his post a troll?

Fold. Spots > hands. Would rather jam ATC v btn open.