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Old 09-27-2020, 06:58 PM   #1
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QJo CO 22BB

Hi,

This situation comes up a lot. I'm in late position with an okay hand and I'd like to raise but there's players ahead of me looking to shove ASAP. I usually fold hands like these but is that the correct play or is it better to raise and then fold to an all-in? I didn't want to call a 9BB shove with this hand but maybe it's the correct play?

PokerStars - 350/700 Ante 85 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 17.63 BB
UTG: 9.27 BB
UTG+1: 22.75 BB
MP: 13.73 BB
MP+1: 12.92 BB
MP+2: 14.93 BB
Hero (CO): 22.48 BB
BTN: 9.44 BB
SB: 8.32 BB

9 players post ante of 0.12 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.59 BB) Hero has Q J

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

BB wins 2.09 BB
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Old 09-28-2020, 01:59 AM   #2
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Re: QJo CO 22BB

Depends on two short stacks. If they are both massive nits I'd consider it. If any of them are regs prob a good spot to fold. Default with 20BBs (or close to) is to open pretty tight and not open this combo, but as always is table dependant.
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Old 09-28-2020, 04:01 AM   #3
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Re: QJo CO 22BB

I would raise / call the shortstacks and fold to BB as default - would only fold this if BB is v aggro - no way can we r/f to 9BB shove.
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Old 09-28-2020, 09:53 AM   #4
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Re: QJo CO 22BB

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I would raise / call the shortstacks and fold to BB as default - would only fold this if BB is v aggro - no way can we r/f to 9BB shove.
Yeah pretty much this. Openfolding is too tight and we can't fold vs the shortstacks either.
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Old 09-28-2020, 01:59 PM   #5
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Re: QJo CO 22BB

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I would raise / call the shortstacks and fold to BB as default - would only fold this if BB is v aggro - no way can we r/f to 9BB shove.
We are probably not ahead of their shove range so what should be my thought process? Do I have the necessary pot odds to call their range?

I'm not even sure if QJo is in my standard open range from the CO.
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Old 09-28-2020, 02:46 PM   #6
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Re: QJo CO 22BB

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We are probably not ahead of their shove range so what should be my thought process? Do I have the necessary pot odds to call their range?

I'm not even sure if QJo is in my standard open range from the CO.
QJo should def be in your CO open range. But yeah you'd be getting roughly 2-1 on a call from btn.
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Old 09-28-2020, 03:31 PM   #7
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Re: QJo CO 22BB

I'm open shoving this all day!
You're shoving for 17bb's effective.
I choose shoving over min opening because I would want to discourage the bb from 3-bet shoving with a hand like a weak ace or Kx. I want THEM to make the decision to possibly call off with a hand like A3 etc...

We can't always be in a position where we raise/call ahead of their shove range. We WILL be in situations where we raise/call behind vs. shortstacks. You're going to win the blinds here a ton.
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Old 09-30-2020, 09:48 AM   #8
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Re: QJo CO 22BB

While open shoving is +EV, I think it's a very clear spot to raise/call vs the shorties (given that they're not supernits) and fold if & when several opponents decide to GII.
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Old 10-02-2020, 10:37 AM   #9
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Re: QJo CO 22BB

Have to raise QJ here -- you're going to blind your stack down if you're not opening up wider than that in LP, even with the possibility of short-stacks jamming.

R/c the short-stacks and R/f if BB pushes (or both shorties jam). Only time you should consider open folding is if literally every pot is getting 3 and 4 bet.
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Old 10-05-2020, 11:13 AM   #10
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Re: QJo CO 22BB

" I'm in late position with an okay hand and I'd like to raise but there's players ahead of me looking to shove ASAP"

Why you are afraid then? You have some "info", some knowledge. You will make a correct decision. This is a strong hand. In this situation. This is not "the bottom". I will use many weaker hands. But I will not say which hands obv. In this topic.
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