Hello,

can someone point me to some decent push-fold charts for MTTs. I am currently using ones from TPE forum. Would like to compare some of them. I guess that have to be peretty similar since it has to be the unexploitable charts. Still looking for some
Would like to get fundamentals down easily.

Cheers

do a search in this forum," JITexpert".

Is the pushboot chart up to date? I mean if the chart was made many years ago, then is this still relevant???

These ones are really good. I have double checked them myself using a chip EV equation and Equilab and they are very accurate. If your table is calling super wide then just tighten them slightly and if they are calling super tight then just widen them slightly. http://www.pushfoldcharts.com/fullring/

Hey Greedy....I've also checked out these charts and a number of other players have also said they are really good. The only question I have is are these charts good for early...mid...and late tourney stages or just for late stage? Some of the latest tourney books have suggested that there is a difference in the hands you should be pushing when you're still far from the money and if you're in the money or at the final table. For example, in Kill Everyone the push/fold charts they have are for when you're still far from the money. The ranges change somewhat once the bubble breaks and you're actually in the money.

I'm pretty sure, this is for early/mid/late stages all put together, since it says with or without antes.

im just wondering what the numbers are on the side 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 ect. I take it those are the seats numbers? for instance seat 2 would be UTG?

The numbers on the side represent how many seats away from the big blind.

Yeah, the number of players behind you.

What about 12 or 14bbs shoves? No charts?

When you have more than 10 big blinds they recommend you make a normal raise. You don't have to go all-in just yet.

thanks alot you guys. that is what i was looking for. Tyler do you also have the calling all-in ranges? Like a chart that is a best responses to this shoving chart
thanks again

They might be a little on the tighter side....but there are some really good "calling all-in" charts in the back of Kill Everyone. Those are the best ones that I know of anyways.

thats pretty phail from heir side...

^^^????

Too bad there are not open shoves up to like 15bb. Still alot of spots where shipping instead of r/f or r/c is best imo. I agree that over 10bb alot of the time you are r/c of sometimes r/f but would still be cool to have it. I have been using the charts from pocketfives, seems too loose.
ibimon, i asked you this once before in another thread but i forgot where, which charts to you use? can you share?

This is terrible

Don't be shy AK...don't let us all hang on just "this is terrible."

I'm sorry, this should be the correct post:

When you have more than 15 big blinds they recommend you make a normal raise. You don't have to go all-in just yet.

The article clearly states that when chip stacks are larger than 10bb it's typically better to raise and then make a decision once your opponent has responded to your raise....rather than open shoving. I'm not saying this is written in stone, but it comes from the pro player who made the charts. And that is also why his charts only go to 10bb and not more.

Yes, the list of hands in order in the back of book is very good! the list is for push and call.

I've played around with rev Rev 4.2 chart along with equalitaor/pokerstove as well as talked to some long time grinders and tweaked the chart until I found what I was comfortable with.
But rev 4.2 is the best chart to start with IMO.
Other charts I've seen before had "leaks" like doesn't go to M zone, and don't have push ranges for past 15bb etc. Also they don't go into detail of callers to act, which will also determine how wide/tight we open push.
Rev push bot you can find here on 2+2

These charts are based on chipEV. You use chip EV in cash games and also in spots in SNGs and MTTs where there aren't changes in the payouts in the near future. In spots where there are pretty significant changes in the money (like 5 players or less left in a 9 man SNG, or the money bubble of an MTT, or the final couple tables of an MTT) you need to use $EV which is calculated from the Independent Chip Model, ICM.
In most situations other than you being a large chip leader, ICM requires you to have more chipEV than normal. This is because you are close to a pay-jump and so the variance of possibly losing an all-in matters more than usual.


OK so you can actually make your own charts for various shoving situations and calling situations. I did this recently using a tool that I subscribe to called ICMizer. You can still probably do it even if you don't pay for it because they give everyone three free searches per day. http://www.icmpoker.com/icmizer/#default

I will quickly try to explain how to do this and then tell you some of my results. Here is how to figure out shoving ranges on the button 15bbs deep. Put it in chip EV. Blinds at 500/1000 (I used no ante). Set everyones stack to 15000. Make hero the Button and everyone folds to him. Click the calculate nash equibrium button (nash is an approximation of each person's final strategy if you kept re-adjusting to each other over and over). Now if you'd like you can adust the calling ranges of the players behind you. Now press calculate. And thats it. For all the hands in green, its better for you to shove them than fold.

So I did this and adjusted the calling ranges a little bit and came up with this shoving range from the button for 15bbs effective with no ante. (22+, A8o+, A3s+, KQo+, QTs+, JTs). Notice that this just means that under my conditions it's better to shove these hands than to fold them in terms of chip EV. The even better play might be to raise/fold something like A3s for example.

thanks so much for this Greedy! You rule, sir.

Does anyone know where I can get good push/fold charts from?, because for the last couple of days http://pushfoldcharts.com/ as been down.

Thanks

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