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05-02-2017 , 10:24 AM
    Poker Stars, $0.30 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 60 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37716594

    BB: 8,140 (13.6 bb)
    UTG+2: 4,105 (6.8 bb)
    MP1: 21,380 (35.6 bb)
    MP2: 22,090 (36.8 bb)
    MP3: 10,670 (17.8 bb)
    CO: 11,168 (18.6 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 8,315 (13.9 bb)
    SB: 13,595 (22.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 9
    3 folds, MP3 raises to 1,200, CO folds, Hero calls 1,200, SB folds, BB calls 600

    Flop: (4,380) 8 A A (3 players)
    BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets 2,190, BB calls 2,190, MP3 folds

    Turn: (8,760) 8 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    River: (8,760) 3 (2 players)
    BB bets 4,690 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: 8,760 pot
    Final Board: 8 A A 8 3
    BB mucked and won 8,760 (5,310 net)
    Hero mucked 9 9 and lost (-3,450 net)



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    I think villain has either an 8 or an A, so I folded, but I'd like to read your opinions.
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    05-02-2017 , 10:54 AM
    any stats on MP3?

    Probs shipping pre.
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    05-02-2017 , 11:39 AM
    Shove pre. No sense in flatting with only 14bbs.
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    05-02-2017 , 12:07 PM
    Def shove pre

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    05-02-2017 , 08:10 PM
    Without reads/ ICM implications unquestionably shoving pre

    Calling is a mistake because 99 doesn't flop well. Unless you hit your 9 there aren't many flops that you're gonna like and get paid on. Off 14bb there aren't many hands I'd be looking to flat with - it's either fold or shove

    99 does well against MP3's typical opening range and by jamming you have the benefit of fold equity but even the times that you are called you'll still win a good chunk of the time


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    05-03-2017 , 11:34 AM
    Thanks for sharing your opinions.

    About MP3, on 13 hands he only raised preflop once, so I was trying to be cautious.

    I don't usually like to shove in a MTT unless I am 10 BBs (or less) or I have TT+/ AQ+ depending on the villain. Not sure if it is the right play.
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    05-03-2017 , 04:07 PM
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    Originally Posted by cpf27
    I don't usually like to shove in a MTT unless I am 10 BBs (or less) or I have TT+/ AQ+ depending on the villain. Not sure if it is the right play.
    It's not the right play. Understanding short stack poker and how to abuse being a short stack can be very valuable and I would highly recommend studying it.
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    05-04-2017 , 06:44 AM
    what we shove here?
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    05-04-2017 , 02:38 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Glaciem
    It's not the right play. Understanding short stack poker and how to abuse being a short stack can be very valuable and I would highly recommend studying it.
    It depends imo. I should have probably fold having in mind that the OR has a very low preflop raise %, many times I had to face TT+ with lower pocket pairs in these cases. He might have pocket Js and get scared when see two aces on the flop, so he checks, I bet and BB calls, so he might think his Js are not good.

    Assuming BB has A3o, if I shove preflop he'd probably fold, MP with Js would call, and he is 4 to 1 favorite or he might think I have QQ+ and fold, anyway is a difficult situation.
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    05-04-2017 , 03:21 PM
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    Originally Posted by cpf27
    It depends imo. I should have probably fold having in mind that the OR has a very low preflop raise %, many times I had to face TT+ with lower pocket pairs in these cases. He might have pocket Js and get scared when see two aces on the flop, so he checks, I bet and BB calls, so he might think his Js are not good.

    Assuming BB has A3o, if I shove preflop he'd probably fold, MP with Js would call, and he is 4 to 1 favorite or he might think I have QQ+ and fold, anyway is a difficult situation.
    I'm talking about this one sentence - I don't usually like to shove in a MTT unless I am 10 BBs (or less) or I have TT+/ AQ+ depending on the villain. Not sure if it is the right play.

    on this hand ur being results oriented but only ever shoving with 10bb or less is going to be a mistake in the long run is what i am suggesting.
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    05-04-2017 , 05:08 PM
    With 14BB versus a MP3 open you should probably just ship it pre, this most likely knocks out the blinds and puts us HU vs the MP3's range which we are more then likely ahead of.

    When you flat on the button with 99 here, you put yourself in a weird position post flop for two reasons. There will likely will be overcards to 99s which the MP3 can cbet and represent, how do you plan to continue on Kxx flops - Axx flops when MP3 cbets?

    Also, alot of the "safe flops" will connect strongly with the BB/SB's flatting range as they now get better pot odds pre - 563 - 874 - etc. How do you plan to continue on these boards facing agression from the blinds?

    So, yeah imo just ship it pre as it will save you the trouble of having to deal with these spots.

    As played, good fold imo but this spot could have been avoided.
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