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09-13-2009 , 02:49 PM

dereds

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Villain playing 12/3 I am playing 7/5

Hero snaps right?

Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t30/t60 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: t2850 M = 31.67
MP2: t2082 M = 23.13
CO: t3060 M = 34
BTN: t3000 M = 33.33
Hero (SB): t4657 M = 51.74
BB: t2025 M = 22.50
UTG: t1427 M = 15.86
UTG+1: t7653 M = 85.03
UTG+2: t7557 M = 83.97

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is SB with J

7 folds, Hero raises to t180, BB raises to t2025 all in, Hero calls t1845

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09-13-2009 , 03:01 PM

Ledders

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...rags-variance/

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09-13-2009 , 03:11 PM

dereds

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It wasn't a beat

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09-13-2009 , 03:11 PM

sylence2k2

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Originally Posted by dereds

Villain playing 12/3 I am playing 7/5

7 folds, Hero raises to t180, BB raises to t2025 all in, Hero calls t1845

Easy fold at this stage. It's way to early to get it in. Villian imo has AJ not only beat, but probably crushed.

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09-13-2009 , 03:20 PM

Willyoman

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I may be an early-stage pre-antes > 30BB nit, but I'm folding to his shove readless.

He's 12/3? And we haven't seen him spaz out? I think it's a snap fold.

That you're 7/5 makes this even more of a fold, though not by much... I'm not about to give a random in a $10 MTT credit for noticing your activity level.

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09-14-2009 , 04:51 AM

furo

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why would he shove JJ+ here? so thats not in his range

A9s+ A10o+ 66-1010 imo

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09-14-2009 , 04:54 AM

ixmike88

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i probably call if he's a winning player

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09-14-2009 , 04:58 AM

MrAtx

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BvB I don't like your pre-raise size make it, 240 or so I make him pay for the hands your dominating.

But I snap fold this to his shove.

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09-14-2009 , 05:16 AM

dereds

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I generally don't 4x anything and I don't mind him calling with the stuff I am dominating even OOP.

I kinda thought this was close at the time and am still undecided, I tend to think that Furo's range is pretty close which I think makes this a close fold with these stacks

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09-14-2009 , 05:21 AM

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ixmike88

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we're 44% to that range making this +ev (and imo winning players are shoving wider there)

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09-14-2009 , 05:28 AM

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dereds

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cool cheers don't have stove in work and my intuitivity obv not functioning on a Monday AM

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09-14-2009 , 05:31 AM

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furo

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Originally Posted by ixmike88

we're 44% to that range making this +ev (and imo winning players are shoving wider there)

not over 7/5 guys, shoving wider is suicide imo. even BvB

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09-14-2009 , 05:31 AM

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p3rc4

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Snippity snap, ainec.

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09-14-2009 , 05:32 AM

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ixmike88

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Originally Posted by furo

not over 7/5 guys, shoving wider is suicide imo. even BvB

who says he knows how tight we are? i'm usually not discounting kjs kq and maybe 44-55 from their ranges

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09-14-2009 , 05:37 AM

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MrAtx

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It might be +EV to call, but I think it's to close, and I think it's still so early that I don't see your overall tourney equity increasing that much with the win this early.

But it's a pretty donkish shove that screams weak so hell I don't think calling is wrong. I certainly don't see anything wrong with a fold, maybe if you felt like winning this could really let you just run the table over I'd call

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09-14-2009 , 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MrAtx

this is totally not +ev (normally).
However, the BB mite be a good(?) player and knows these tournament tactics, and knows if every1 folds to SB usually the SB will raise and therefore think u are on rags.
A call mite be profitable here but will crush your table image ^^

Kinda curious as to what BB had

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09-14-2009 , 06:07 AM

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dereds

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see the thing that makes the limited stats I have questionable is that against me, who was playing 7/5 at the time AJo is a snap shove even if I am 3betting the very top of my range and shoving the rest.

I called btw and villain had 88 and I flipped well.

The reason I posted was because I was wondering whether a villain playing 12/3 who I believed may call more often than shove shoves worse which I kinda need him to do for it to be +ev

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09-14-2009 , 06:14 AM

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MrAtx

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I can't see a 12/3 shoving worse here, maybe ATs, and it's a real stretch but maybe A9s, but man thats a small part of his shove range here, your dominated, flipping, and I guess KQ shows up sometimes, so occasionally your a slight favorite. No way I can see KJ getting turned over here, JQ, or JT, not from a 12/3

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09-14-2009 , 06:20 AM

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Just a kinda standard blind battle, he got a lot of FE, and he got a resonable hand to pull this off, the fact that you play 7/5 (over how many hands?) mite give him more reason to believe he will win the pot rigth there.

However i think this kind of moves belong to a later stage of the tournament and not now when he still has like 30bb.
Many people seem to be succesfull tho in this roulettepoker :/

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09-14-2009 , 06:30 AM

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dereds

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it's not neccessarily about roulette poker it's about finding +ev spots and taking them my question is whether this is a +ev spot. Against myself AJo is a call and I was playing 7/5

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09-14-2009 , 07:48 AM

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I call and feel reasonably good about it.

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09-14-2009 , 10:59 AM

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i'd need a serious soul read in order to fold this

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