Hi guys

Villain 1 is fish
Villain 2 is unknown

Usually playin deeper of course i am going to overcall the preflop raise but with so low SPR in this multiway pot i don´t know if there is a "mathmatical right way" to behave :

Should i "forget" UTG+1 who is so short and concentrate on MP or just pay attention to UTG+1 who has this superlow SPR and probably shoving OTF (althought with fish you never know)?


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $9 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 70 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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UTG+2: 27,917 (46.5 bb)
MP1: 8,880 (14.8 bb)
MP2: 45,653 (76.1 bb)
Hero (MP3): 27,369 (45.6 bb)
CO: 10,370 (17.3 bb)
BTN: 9,870 (16.5 bb)
SB: 18,220 (30.4 bb)
BB: 13,215 (22 bb)
UTG+1: 10,000 (16.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T J
UTG+1 raises to 1,200, 2 folds, MP2 calls 1,200, Hero???

Interesting.

I think you've already answered half of your question, in that do we assume that UTG+1 is going to shove the majority of flops? Given our stack size, I don't mind overcalling here but we have to know what our plan is for the flop.

If we call, and UTG+1 shoves what flops are we calling? What about if UTG+1 shoves and MP re-shoves? We need a clear plan.

I'd call and I'd be OK with getting it in top pair vs UTG+1 but may opt on a fold if MP2 re-shoves. If UTG+1 shoves and MP flats and we have top pair, I think we can re shove but only after evaluating the flop texture.

Flush/combo draws, two pair etc I just re shove if UTG+1 shoves, irrespective of MP2.

Even though SPR is low, JTs for the price can't be a bad call here. We just have to have a clear plan of action in our heads for a lot of different flop textures, opponent actions and be prepared to follow through on it.

Well said. The good news is you'll have position and get to see what the other guys do before you have to make your decision. But JTs can flop so well that you can have lots of options.

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It's a perfect analysis you make man , sometimes it's as simple as "call because price is good and watch what others do because you are IP" haha

Thanks for your help !

+1

Villain is agressive or passive? More likely to call if they're spewy, but regardless, I wouldn't be thrilled about taking an implied odds hand against a dominating range @ 16BB effective (facing commitment as soon as anyone breathes on the pot) + another villain who, although deeper, dilutes our equity by default.

You know that before pokerstove was invented poker players felt that TJs was the best hand in poker, right? There is no hand that i would take over it in a multiway pot. It has the best potential to make the nuts.

OK.