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PFA IP shortstack cbet range on 7c6h7h board PFA IP shortstack cbet range on 7c6h7h board

07-13-2021 , 04:59 AM
Less than 25bb effective stack. What do we do with the overpairs on this flop? Cbet or check back? I think all the overpairs need protection on this board, especially against the BB defense range but at the same time it could be a sick spot if we get check-raised.
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07-13-2021 , 10:35 AM
What's your position? Likely just betting most the time tho.
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07-13-2021 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by killer_kill
What's your position? Likely just betting most the time tho.
It's not a hand that I played, I'm working on this flop in a shortstack situation from different positions, in this case as the PFA IP, let's say a late position opening range against the BB defense range.
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07-13-2021 , 01:11 PM
I asked because our position matters due to the range we'll have. As our ranges in late position will have more 7x hands than EP etc. If it's LP I'd bet prob every overpair and maybe check aces sometimes. This is where solvers are really helpful imo.
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07-13-2021 , 02:33 PM
I'm happy to bet because it's such a good flop for BB to x/r bluff against a late open raise. His range will include a whole lot more than 66/7x.
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07-13-2021 , 03:27 PM
Ran a solver and it has btn checking QQ-AA almost always. The BB mdf range I give doesn't even have 66 and 77 in it so I imagine it'll want us to check even more if you think they're not jamming those preflop.
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07-14-2021 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by killer_kill
Ran a solver and it has btn checking QQ-AA almost always. The BB mdf range I give doesn't even have 66 and 77 in it so I imagine it'll want us to check even more if you think they're not jamming those preflop.
Okay but why? Solver plays it that way based on an expectation of how it would play the BB and responds accordingly. Knowing what the solver does is of limited value if we don't know why, and whether we would expect our opponents to play the way a solver BB would.
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07-14-2021 , 06:00 PM
It checks the higher pairs because they need less protection and fold out less overcards as well as blocking less combos of 7x. It's also just not a great flop for IP as well. A solver's deviation isn't that big on the flop because there isn't any prior decisions to have it played perfectly where a human won't be able to match that. River play is where we can kind of say ok I don't expect a human to find this bluff etc or there range has more of X or Y. But we can change the solver to do stuff more like how we expect a potential villain to. Like if we expect them to play flush draws passively we can set it to always call them instead of sometimes c/r them or w/e too.
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07-15-2021 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by killer_kill
It checks the higher pairs because they need less protection and fold out less overcards as well as blocking less combos of 7x. It's also just not a great flop for IP as well. A solver's deviation isn't that big on the flop because there isn't any prior decisions to have it played perfectly where a human won't be able to match that. River play is where we can kind of say ok I don't expect a human to find this bluff etc or there range has more of X or Y. But we can change the solver to do stuff more like how we expect a potential villain to. Like if we expect them to play flush draws passively we can set it to always call them instead of sometimes c/r them or w/e too.
How often does the solver have the BB x/raising that flop? I would advocate betting QQ-AA based on the assumption that BB would x/r bluff quite often there. But I guess the ev we lose when we bet and fold out all his junk isn't worth the potential gain the times we catch BB x/r bluffing.
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07-19-2021 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by killer_kill
Ran a solver and it has btn checking QQ-AA almost always. The BB mdf range I give doesn't even have 66 and 77 in it so I imagine it'll want us to check even more if you think they're not jamming those preflop.
I don't have solvers but I came to the same conclusion.
I think we can bet 8-8 to J-J and check all the underpairs.
I would bet all the 6-x combos, 9-8 and all the flush draws and check trapping all the 7-x combos along with 7-7 and 6-6.

Last edited by Gae80; 07-19-2021 at 03:58 AM.
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