NL Holdem $3.08+$0.22 (60BB)
UTG ($6002)
EP ($4900)
MP ($4810) [VPIP: 22.1% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 18.4% | Flop Agg: 16.7% | Turn Agg: 16.7% | River Agg: 25% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 77]
HERO ($5417)
CO ($5154)
BTN ($5683)
SB ($4344) [VPIP: 19.4% | PFR: 13.9% | AGG: 26.7% | Flop Agg: 25% | Turn Agg: 25% | River Agg: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 36]
BB ($4912) [VPIP: 21.1% | PFR: 10.9% | AGG: 18.9% | Flop Agg: 23.2% | Turn Agg: 17.9% | River Agg: 12.5% | 3-Bet: 4.1% | 4-Bet: 10% | Hands: 584]

Dealt to Hero: A J

UTG Folds, EP Folds, MP Calls $60, HERO Calls $60, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Calls $30, BB Checks

Hero SPR on Flop: [17.85 effective]
Flop ($240): T A K
SB Checks, BB Checks, MP Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($240): T A K 3
SB Bets $90 (Rem. Stack: $4194), BB Calls $90 (Rem. Stack: $4762), MP Folds, HERO Calls $90 (Rem. Stack: $5267)

River ($510): T A K 3 4
SB Bets $180 (Rem. Stack: $4014), BB Calls $180 (Rem. Stack: $4582), HERO Folds



I wonder how often we should stab the flop here. We block QJ, so all I'm worried about is a big two-pair from MP or AQ. If we stab, maybe we thin the field down to flush draws and pairs+ so later streets are easier to navigate?

Shame that we folded a winning hand here. But, I can't see a call into two others without any club blockers.

Thoughts?

Wow, passive is an understatement. You'll never succeed in tournaments playing this way.

Raise preflop.

Bet flop.

Bet the flop as played? Why?

I think overlimping this deep is ok but iso is fine too.

At this depth, shouldn't we be mixing AJo between raising and calling? Or, is there something about the micros that makes raising always the right play?

don't get the overlimp - we will get called oop by so many weaker hands we want to build a pot
betting the flop as played for sure - we will get called by much worse

AJo is a hand that plays poorly multiway. If you're not going to raise it, might as well fold it. When you overlimp you'll have a hard time realizing your equity and you'll find yourself in very difficult spots postflop, just like this one.

What equity are we hoping to realize with AJo? We normally flop static hands like pairs.

True, a more accurate statement would have been that you have very little chance of winning multiway with AJo. It's pretty simple the way I look at it: if you have a hand that likely hits no better than a good pair, would you rather play that hand against one opponent or several? If you're so concerned about the reverse implied odds of raising this hand when deep (and we're not even that deep), might as well just fold it.

I really do not like how this hand was played. You should had iso raised to c.4x, knockout the blinds, get the initiative with position, which is gonna make your hand much more profitable.

Then you can cbet flop easily and take it from there.

Reposting my question to someone else:

At this depth, shouldn't we be mixing AJo between raising and calling? Or, is there something about the micros that makes raising always the right play?

i think the only time to ever limp in micros off the top of my head is when u are UTG and have AA and 90% sure someone will raise so u can reraise.

Think here at such a low blind level once one limps and then you limp you're inviting everyone to the hand with any two cards. So unless you have the nuts or near enough nuts youre never gonna be comfortable in a hand.


once he limps i would make it 200+ to probably 240 .

As played i would check call check call including river.

An old saying i was told years ago "never go broke in an unraised pot"


Make your life easier raise with this hands in these spots. Fair enough if you have 78 suited etc on the button call is fine. But im never letting rag hands in cheap in my pots when i can help it.

The advantages of raising here are very obvious - we are more likely to get to the flop heads up in position against a passive player with a weak range. - So to turn your question around - why should we be mixing AJo between raising and calling?

I'm guessing this is something you've read/heard - perhaps to do with making yourself less exploitable on some boards by protecting your overlimping range? This is unnecessary in the micros because Vs are not thinking in these terms - and would be unwise to given the amount of randomness in peoples play.

This is not a question of whether it is the micros or not. This is a no-brainer iso raise.

What exactly are you hopping of achieving with AJo in a limped multiway pot?

Folding pre is terribad. Even worse than limping.

I encourage you to pick up a copy of "Modern Poker Theory" and look up this spot.

This is a spot that should be mixed according to GTO charts.

Before you or anyone else goes off on a "F*** GTO. You need to exploit. Blah blah blah," realize that I'm not advocating for GTO GTO GTO.

I'm just saying: this is a "no-brainer" only if you want to advocate for non-optimal play.

Edit: Wow. I completely misread this hand. This whole time I was thinking I was facing an OR from MP. I understand the limp hate a lot more now. Facing an open-limp, I can get behind this being a pure 3bet (although, I wish I could find charts for facing open-limps...)

"Modern Portfolio Theory" is saying to limp here????? Really???

I have not read it be it seems like it is either a junk, which I doubt coz good players speak highly of it. Or you had misunderstood the application. If you can show me the chart where you should be mixing up limps here, it will be much appreciated because I have never done it and this might be a leak of mine if you are right.

I think he thought it was raised by MP the first time.

Isolate aggressively in these games when in position.

As played I'd bet the flop. Can possibly even raise turn against that action .

Cheetah above is right: I misread the situation and thought it was raised by MP. In that situation, this is mixed between raising and calling.

I would post the chart, but I'm sure they're copyrighted. Take it from a micro fish like me, it's a great book and you should pick up a copy