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Overpair meets tricky turn card Overpair meets tricky turn card

04-15-2019 , 01:16 PM
Hi guys

Villain is 54/9 in 40 hands
Some hands ago i isolated him, he called two barrels and finished donking/shoving the river

I think that T is a terrible card for us, so i decided to check and reev (not sure this is good line either)

As played :

1) Do we shove?
2) Do we call and reev river?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $4.50 Buy-in (75/150 blinds, 20 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
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Hero (SB): 12,999 (86.7 bb)
BB: 9,491 (63.3 bb)
UTG+2: 10,000 (66.7 bb)
MP1: 34,518 (230.1 bb)
MP2: 11,968 (79.8 bb)
MP3: 1,525 (10.2 bb)
CO: 10,000 (66.7 bb)
BTN: 27,301 (182 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
4 folds, CO raises to 300, BTN folds, Hero raises to 1,050, BB folds, CO calls 750

Flop: (2,410) 8 3 9 (2 players)
Hero bets 1,205, CO calls 1,205

Turn: (4,820) T (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets 2,410, Hero?
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04-15-2019 , 03:58 PM
Easy call for me. Sure he can have TT but he can also have JJ/QQ and think you have worse than you do when you check turn. I'm not even sure he has QJ in his range given his loose passive preflop stats. Regardless, I call and reevaluate on the river.
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04-15-2019 , 04:39 PM
yeah i'm calling too.

a note about bet sizing I think we can happily make it 4x or even 4.5x vs this guy and half pot otf isn't bad but I think less is better
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04-15-2019 , 08:09 PM
Yup x/call is the best. He does have some hands that beat you, but he also has a lot of pair+combo draws. I wouldnt even be surprised to see hands like AsJs from opponent like that. download equilab and look at ranges, combos of hands u beat and combos of hands u lose against and everything iwll be clear
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04-16-2019 , 02:05 AM
I would x/c both turn and river vs this guy for sure, he just shows up with way too many worse hands here to consider folding this far up in our range.

Agree with sizing up slightly pre vs this particular guy and being this deep
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04-16-2019 , 07:49 AM
Always betting Turn against a player like him, no reason to give all his pairs+draws a free river
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04-16-2019 , 10:12 AM
Do we always have to x/c? because i like too betting on the turn vs this player. Knowing that i can check/f river because hes not betting medium hands. Its better to extract value from this kind of players in the turn, which isnt sooo scary. I would x/c also, id try to have a 70/30~ frec between both options.
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04-16-2019 , 10:38 PM
Checking turn takes away his positional and mixed equity leverage, when our bet gets raised some of the time and puts us in dicey spots by all his nutted hands and draws like 33,88,99,TT,QJ,J9,Q9,JT,QT esp with backdoor spades all of which we dont block.

We also keep worse in and give him a chance to bluff whilst keeping the post small oop with a 1 pair hand on a semi dangerous board.

If the 1 card straight comes otr we can still down vs this guy
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04-17-2019 , 10:19 AM
What's mixed equity leverage?


I think I just 3b 1200+ and bet flop bigish shove turn against this villain.
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04-17-2019 , 10:10 PM
Hands like JT,QT,Q9,J9 etc that have combo draws (esp spades), they can leverage their position and their combined equity to raise, where as a check does not allow us to get raised and play an inflated river oop and we can induce a worse hand to bet / bluff.

These stacks seem a bit deep for turn shove here.. not saying turn bet is terrible just this is how I would usually play it.
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04-17-2019 , 11:58 PM
Check call here. Calling most rivers vs this opponent
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04-18-2019 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by wowsooooted
Hands like JT,QT,Q9,J9 etc that have combo draws (esp spades), they can leverage their position and their combined equity to raise, where as a check does not allow us to get raised and play an inflated river oop and we can induce a worse hand to bet / bluff.

These stacks seem a bit deep for turn shove here.. not saying turn bet is terrible just this is how I would usually play it.
Yeah we just size up and get it in against those hands if villain has them in range.

Think that even though only 40 hands, a gap like that between vpip and pfr gives a good idea of villains tendencies and that we're missing value by letting villain xback turn with AJs or A9s or the hands you mentioned and possibly fold river unimproved.

As played I'd just shove over the turn bet.
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04-18-2019 , 07:03 AM
1/2 cbet from OOP is the worst option here in a 3b pot. Figure out why and your line becomes clear to play

Sizing pre is awful too
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04-18-2019 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by streetwalkincheeta
Yeah we just size up and get it in against those hands if villain has them in range.

Think that even though only 40 hands, a gap like that between vpip and pfr gives a good idea of villains tendencies and that we're missing value by letting villain xback turn with AJs or A9s or the hands you mentioned and possibly fold river unimproved.
Yeah I agree with that, I am inclined to exploit villains tendencies in that spot. I think wowsooooted certainly has a point if we're up against an unknown or a solid reg.

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Originally Posted by Pouled
Sizing pre is awful too
While we should definetely size it bigger, I wouldn't go so far as to call it awful.
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