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Old 11-28-2013, 12:45 AM   #151
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Re: *** Official SSMTT quick checkup thread ***

1. For me is easy fold, cause I dont want to waste 13 BB on 44 (or more if BTN shove)

2. I will 3Bet here, cause this is obvious blind steal

3. Just call in my opinion, also blind steal but I will not 3bet QJ

4. Fold, 3bet and 4bet after you indicates that probably you are behind one of them

*Tonight I started tournament with AK and than AA, and lost both hands...With AA vilian get a set, and with AK two pair. And how not to be on tilt
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Old 11-28-2013, 11:51 AM   #152
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Agree with all the assessments above.
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Old 11-29-2013, 01:13 AM   #153
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Re: *** Official SSMTT quick checkup thread ***

1) unfortunately I guess you have to fold w/ the button behind but it's close, 4betting to iso could be marginally good but that's pretty high variance, seems fine to just fold and lose the 2bb. If button hadn't called it would have been an easy call vs the BB's shove though

2) 3bet/gii if he 4bets

3) any play seems fine though I like a 3bet best
If you just flat you have to be 100% willing to gii if you flop anything good otherwise you don't have the price to play it speculatively, and I think w/ his 15bb stack you can be comfy putting all the money in if you flop a pair

4) fold
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Old 11-29-2013, 04:44 AM   #154
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Re: *** Official SSMTT quick checkup thread ***

1) close. If I have reads on bu. Is he spewy or good or... This could be shove. Readless I mostly fold, but shove can't be too bad.

2) 3b/gii

3) 3b call. Flat is ok too.

4) fold
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Old 11-30-2013, 12:45 AM   #155
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*Tonight I started tournament with AK and than AA, and lost both hands...With AA vilian get a set, and with AK two pair. And how not to be on tilt
Sorry for the run bad man. And to you and the rest thanks for the helpful input. : )
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Old 12-02-2013, 02:23 AM   #156
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Re: *** Official SSMTT quick checkup thread ***

$1r turbo tourney, currently at 255, 189 gets paid. guy's marked as a fish limping pre almost every time. too spewy shove?

PokerStars - $1+$0.10|2500/5000 Ante 500 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 41,684 (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
SB: 44,272 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (BB): 45,360
UTG: 72,482 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 12)
UTG+1: 31,420 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
MP: 94,093 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 12)
MP+1: 103,137 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 12)
CO: 54,354 (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 12)

8 players post ante of 500, SB posts SB 2,500, Hero posts BB 5,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 11,500) Hero has J 3

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2,500, Hero checks

Flop: (14,000, 2 players) 7 8 J
SB bets 10,000, Hero raises to 39,860 and is all-in
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Old 12-02-2013, 05:09 PM   #157
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Re: *** Official SSMTT quick checkup thread ***

With your stack shoving makes way more sense than just calling since most bluffs still have lots of equity against you so you wanna protect that... and I can't see just folding top pair in a BvB limped pot without some sick read

so shoving seems like the only reasonable play
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Old 12-03-2013, 07:54 AM   #158
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Re: *** Official SSMTT quick checkup thread ***

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t2000/t4000 Blinds + t500 - 9 players - View hand 2371589
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

UTG+2: t7414 M = 0.71
MP1: t17572 M = 1.67
MP2: t63194 M = 6.02
CO: t77566 M = 7.39
BTN: t45179 M = 4.30
Hero (SB): t50778 M = 4.84
BB: t82327 M = 7.84
UTG: t33397 M = 3.18
UTG+1: t8145 M = 0.78

Pre Flop: (t10500) Hero is SB with J 4
5 folds, CO raises to t8000, 1 fold, Hero raises to t50278 all in, 1 fold, CO calls t42278

Villain was 38/38 and had made similar bets on the last two hands.
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:53 AM   #159
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Feels like a pretty standard fold to me. I think J9s might be more interesting.

But when you are called your likely 40% to win or worse.
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Old 12-03-2013, 09:34 AM   #160
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Re: *** Official SSMTT quick checkup thread ***

with V at 38/38 I really like the shove actually, doesn't mean I think it's right I just like it
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Old 12-03-2013, 11:09 AM   #161
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$1r turbo tourney, currently at 255, 189 gets paid. guy's marked as a fish limping pre almost every time. too spewy shove?

PokerStars - $1+$0.10|2500/5000 Ante 500 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 41,684 (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
SB: 44,272 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (BB): 45,360
UTG: 72,482 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 12)
UTG+1: 31,420 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
MP: 94,093 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 12)
MP+1: 103,137 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 12)
CO: 54,354 (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 12)

8 players post ante of 500, SB posts SB 2,500, Hero posts BB 5,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 11,500) Hero has J 3

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2,500, Hero checks

Flop: (14,000, 2 players) 7 8 J
SB bets 10,000, Hero raises to 39,860 and is all-in
I would prolly shove pre.
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Old 12-03-2013, 11:14 AM   #162
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Re: *** Official SSMTT quick checkup thread ***

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Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t2000/t4000 Blinds + t500 - 9 players - View hand 2371589
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UTG+2: t7414 M = 0.71
MP1: t17572 M = 1.67
MP2: t63194 M = 6.02
CO: t77566 M = 7.39
BTN: t45179 M = 4.30
Hero (SB): t50778 M = 4.84
BB: t82327 M = 7.84
UTG: t33397 M = 3.18
UTG+1: t8145 M = 0.78

Pre Flop: (t10500) Hero is SB with J 4
5 folds, CO raises to t8000, 1 fold, Hero raises to t50278 all in, 1 fold, CO calls t42278

Villain was 38/38 and had made similar bets on the last two hands.
The question is how light does he call? Is he going to call off with roughly the same range (maybe even half) of what he is opening with?

Like the other poster said that J9 is a ship here. I like to have "playability" - that is connectedness. All that's going on here is the high card Jack and the flush possibilities. If I'm gii for 12bb I like some straight backdoor possibilities as well.

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Old 12-03-2013, 11:41 AM   #163
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Re: *** Official SSMTT quick checkup thread ***

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3) 3b call. Flat is ok too.
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3) any play seems fine though I like a 3bet best
If you just flat you have to be 100% willing to gii if you flop anything good otherwise you don't have the price to play it speculatively, and I think w/ his 15bb stack you can be comfy putting all the money in if you flop a pair
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Merge - $10+$1|<$5K Gtd - [6-Max, Deep]> NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): 11,612.00 24/21/58 112H
SB: 1,860.00
BB: 11,411.00
UTG: 22,239.00
MP: 8,727.00
CO: 4,465.00 9/9 11H

Hero posts ante 30.00, SB posts ante 30.00, BB posts ante 30.00, UTG posts ante 30.00, MP posts ante 30.00, CO posts ante 30.00, SB posts SB 150.00, BB posts BB 300.00

Pre Flop: (630.00) Hero has Q J

fold, fold, CO raises to 600.00, HERO?
Hero raises to 1,515.00, fold, fold, CO raises to 4,435.00 and is all-in, HERO?
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Old 12-03-2013, 11:58 AM   #164
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Re: *** Official SSMTT quick checkup thread ***

fold - altho pot odds may suggest otherwise
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Old 12-03-2013, 05:49 PM   #165
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Re: *** Official SSMTT quick checkup thread ***

here are some more dumb hands:

HAND 1
Merge - $10+$1|<$5K Gtd - [6-Max, Deep]> - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (UTG): 5,749.00 17/17/57
MP: 2,988.00 33/6/0 6H
CO: 7,974.00
BTN: 15,249.00
SB: 9,625.00
BB: 3,729.00

Hero posts ante 15.00, MP posts ante 15.00, CO posts ante 15.00, BTN posts ante 15.00, SB posts ante 15.00, BB posts ante 15.00, SB posts SB 75.00, BB posts BB 150.00

Pre Flop: (315.00) Hero has 9 9

Hero raises to 300.00, MP raises to 2,973.00 and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold, HERO?
================================

HAND 2
Merge - $10+$1|<$5K Gtd - [6-Max, Deep]> NL - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
BTN: 67,861.00
SB: 39,265.00 was playing "tag" - is a winning player - and had become considerably looser (in the passive sense) sense getting short handed. This is the final table and as you can see we're all pretty even.
Hero (BB): 67,576.00 taggy: 18/16/49
UTG: 65,298.00

BTN posts ante 250.00, SB posts ante 250.00, Hero posts ante 250.00, UTG posts ante 250.00, SB posts SB 1,250.00, Hero posts BB 2,500.00

Pre Flop: (4750.00) Hero has A 9

fold, fold, SB raises to 5,000.00, HERO?

I think this is a pretty easy - standard - ship. Just want to check with this.
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:53 PM   #166
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The question is how light does he call? Is he going to call off with roughly the same range (maybe even half) of what he is opening with?

Like the other poster said that J9 is a ship here. I like to have "playability" - that is connectedness. All that's going on here is the high card Jack and the flush possibilities. If I'm gii for 12bb I like some straight backdoor possibilities as well.

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Yeah that makes sense. Still getting a feel for these things and I think I felt more pressure than there was to make a move but I had a whole orbit to wait for a better spot. At the time it didn't occur to me that they'd call light which obviously makes the shove pretty bad. Thanks.
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Old 12-04-2013, 12:30 PM   #167
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here are some more dumb hands:

HAND 1
Merge - $10+$1|<$5K Gtd - [6-Max, Deep]> - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (UTG): 5,749.00 17/17/57
MP: 2,988.00 33/6/0 6H
CO: 7,974.00
BTN: 15,249.00
SB: 9,625.00
BB: 3,729.00

Hero posts ante 15.00, MP posts ante 15.00, CO posts ante 15.00, BTN posts ante 15.00, SB posts ante 15.00, BB posts ante 15.00, SB posts SB 75.00, BB posts BB 150.00

Pre Flop: (315.00) Hero has 9 9

Hero raises to 300.00, MP raises to 2,973.00 and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold, HERO?
================================

HAND 2
Merge - $10+$1|<$5K Gtd - [6-Max, Deep]> NL - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
BTN: 67,861.00
SB: 39,265.00 was playing "tag" - is a winning player - and had become considerably looser (in the passive sense) sense getting short handed. This is the final table and as you can see we're all pretty even.
Hero (BB): 67,576.00 taggy: 18/16/49
UTG: 65,298.00

BTN posts ante 250.00, SB posts ante 250.00, Hero posts ante 250.00, UTG posts ante 250.00, SB posts SB 1,250.00, Hero posts BB 2,500.00

Pre Flop: (4750.00) Hero has A 9

fold, fold, SB raises to 5,000.00, HERO?

I think this is a pretty easy - standard - ship. Just want to check with this.
1) snap
2) shove

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Old 12-04-2013, 12:33 PM   #168
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Hero raises to 1,515.00, fold, fold, CO raises to 4,435.00 and is all-in, HERO?
Well we can't fold with those odds so we call and hopefully run goot.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:09 AM   #169
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not a line check but just making a post. I'm playing in this "illegal" deep stack game on Saturday which I've just seen the structure and it's the most bizarre thing I've come across.

Starting stack is 100,000
blinds start at 200/400 for 60 mins
then double accordingly 30 minutes thereafter


I've never seen anything like it lol
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Old 12-05-2013, 11:13 AM   #170
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not a line check but just making a post. I'm playing in this "illegal" deep stack game on Saturday which I've just seen the structure and it's the most bizarre thing I've come across.

Starting stack is 100,000
blinds start at 200/400 for 60 mins
then double accordingly 30 minutes thereafter


I've never seen anything like it lol
Seems like a fairly legit structure actually. Start with 250 bigs, then double every 30. Its the same as 20/40 (or almost the same as 25/50) on a 10K stack. Which is super standard.

Spoiler:
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Old 12-05-2013, 11:20 AM   #171
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It was just more levels starting at 200/400
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:07 PM   #172
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Re: *** Official SSMTT quick checkup thread ***

PokerStars - $6.45+$0.55|200/400 Ante 25 NL - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 16.77 BB (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
BTN: 8.38 BB (VPIP: 23.29, PFR: 14.49, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 74)
SB: 15.16 BB (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
Hero (BB): 14.83 BB
UTG: 12.38 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)

5 players post ante of 0.06 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.81 BB) Hero has J J

fold, CO raises to 16.7 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 8.31 BB and is all-in, fold, fold
Spoiler:


Reads:

CO shoved around 15 BB late position with A6o, and I believe another marginal hand in a similar spot. Seems slightly on the fishy side. Stats: VP-26, PR-21, 0-3B
SB is 23-VP, 14-PR, 3B-7. Have seen him do some LAG-ish things, but seems to be somewhat solid.

Personally, I'm probably only calling AA-KK here, and I think the ICM would agree. However, one friend said he would call AA-99 + AK, and the other AA-JJ.

Thoughts?

Thank you for your time.
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Old 12-06-2013, 04:40 AM   #173
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Seems like a very clear call with JJ. Not in comp until tomorrow, but
I'd like too see what ICM calc says.
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call for me too
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:43 AM   #175
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PokerStars - $7.34+$0.66|100/200 NL - Holdem - 8 players

SB: 11.61 BB
Hero (BB): 2.99 BB
UTG: 15.71 BB
UTG+1: 35.02 BB
MP: 11.75 BB
MP+1: 26.12 BB
CO: 39.64 BB
BTN: 6.22 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T 8

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 2.32 BB, fold, BTN raises to 6.22 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 1.99 BB and is all-in, MP+1 calls 3.9 BB

Standart right?
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