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Can't tell precisely since there are no stack and blind sizes, but if you think about his UTG opening range and taking under consideration fact, that there are three shortstacks (including you) to act after his raise and 0 folding equity, I'm having no problem folding this hand and I'm pretty sure you're well behind his opening range. Also, you were just blinded, so you're about to see few hands. However, I'm well aware that this might be last chance to double up and you can't really count on some nuts, so you're going to be underdog when you shove and get called, and that's why so some information on how many players were left and how's the bubble would be nice to analyse this hand properly.

Hey nice post. Actually we were far from the money - I think our blinds were around 400/800/80 or so. Thanks again.

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07-16-2014 , 06:16 PM

#352

hs3c

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Is this really spewy? I figured I had enough fold equity.

20 left in 46 player live tourney. Top 6 paid, average stack ~25k.

Fairly limpy table. Blinds 600-1200, 200 ante

Ep limps, limp, limp, Hero in BB shoves for 11k with J2o...

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07-17-2014 , 03:33 AM

#353

Puzo

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Originally Posted by hs3c

You probs have some fe and it can be quite high in live donkament, but when called your eq is very bad, because your hand is total crap. I doubt that your fe+eq when called is high enough to make this even close to +ev play.

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07-21-2014 , 05:41 AM

#354

DjHitzz

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Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

UTG+1: 12,132 (60.7 bb)
UTG+2: 6,816 (34.1 bb)
Hero (MP1): 10,029 (50.1 bb)
MP2: 10,800 (54 bb)
MP3: 5,917 (29.6 bb)
CO: 1,157 (5.8 bb)
BTN: 16,141 (80.7 bb)
SB: 35,259 (176.3 bb)
BB: 2,915 (14.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9

UTG+1 raises to 400, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls 400, 6 folds

Flop: (1,325) A

(2 players)
UTG+1 bets 600, Hero calls 600

Turn: (2,525) 3

(2 players)
UTG+1 bets 800, Hero calls 800

River: (4,125) 6

(2 players)
UTG+1 bets 1,000, Hero folds

Spoiler:

Fold the turn or nh?

V moved to the table about 12 hands ago.

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07-29-2014 , 09:50 AM

#355

DjHitzz

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Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
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BTN: 5,914 (29.6 bb)
Hero (SB): 8,446 (42.2 bb)
BB: 3,375 (16.9 bb)
UTG+2: 5,597 (28 bb)
MP1: 5,197 (26 bb)
MP2: 17,690 (88.5 bb)
MP3: 12,539 (62.7 bb)
CO: 3,199 (16 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6

4 folds, CO raises to 400, BTN folds, Hero raises to 8,421 and is all-in, BB folds, CO calls 2,774 and is all-in

No real reads. 28/10 5%3B

Nh?

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07-29-2014 , 12:54 PM

#356

Puzo

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^^ nh

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07-30-2014 , 11:58 AM

#357

DjHitzz

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Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (350/700 blinds, 85 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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MP3: 17,958 (25.7 bb)
CO: 34,336 (49.1 bb)
BTN: 94,260 (134.7 bb)
Hero (SB): 13,226 (18.9 bb)
BB: 8,860 (12.7 bb)
UTG+1: 21,693 (31 bb)
UTG+2: 7,606 (10.9 bb)
MP1: 21,044 (30.1 bb)
MP2: 12,720 (18.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

3 folds, MP2 raises to 1,789, MP3 folds, CO calls 1,789, BTN folds, Hero raises to 13,141 and is all-in, BB folds, MP2 calls 10,846 and is all-in, CO folds

OR: 29/25 10%3bet over 24 hands.
Flattor: 30/22 14%3bet over 24 hands.

I have been card dead - nitty image. 20 before the money bubble.

Nh?

Last edited by DjHitzz; 07-30-2014 at 12:03 PM.

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07-31-2014 , 06:39 AM

#358

DjHitzz

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Poker Stars, $8 Buy-in (1,800/3,600 blinds, 450 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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MP2: 197,972 (55 bb)
MP3: 119,157 (33.1 bb)
CO: 128,219 (35.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): 164,623 (45.7 bb)
SB: 61,169 (17 bb)
BB: 165,821 (46.1 bb)
UTG+1: 400,711 (111.3 bb)
UTG+2: 207,062 (57.5 bb)
MP1: 55,700 (15.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q

5 folds, CO raises to 7,200, Hero calls 7,200, 2 folds

Flop: (23,850) K

(2 players)
CO bets 6,439, Hero calls 6,439

Turn: (36,728) Q

(2 players)
CO bets 11,385, Hero calls 11,385

River: (59,498) 4

(2 players)
CO bets 22,444, Hero calls 22,444

V is unknown. Nh?

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08-02-2014 , 06:34 PM

#359

gamboneee

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might look for some more value on river since basically every Kx thinks hes chopping at worst

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08-05-2014 , 06:02 PM

#360

fidstar-poker

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raising turn

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08-06-2014 , 01:11 AM

#361

nonsimplesimon

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^^^^ agree raise one of the later streets. I think we can get lots of value from his triple or double barrel range.

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08-06-2014 , 01:15 AM

#362

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Originally Posted by DjHitzz

3 folds, MP2 raises to 1,789, MP3 folds, CO calls 1,789, BTN folds, Hero raises to 13,141 and is all-in, BB folds, MP2 calls 10,846 and is all-in, CO folds

OR: 29/25 10%3bet over 24 hands.
Flattor: 30/22 14%3bet over 24 hands.

I have been card dead - nitty image. 20 before the money bubble.

Nh?

I'm pretty sure I'm gii here as well. Probably folding AT tho.

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08-06-2014 , 01:19 AM

#363

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Originally Posted by DjHitzz

UTG+1 raises to 400, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls 400, 6 folds

Flop: (1,325) A

(2 players)
UTG+1 bets 600, Hero calls 600

Turn: (2,525) 3

(2 players)
UTG+1 bets 800, Hero calls 800

River: (4,125) 6

(2 players)
UTG+1 bets 1,000, Hero folds

Spoiler:

Fold the turn or nh?

V moved to the table about 12 hands ago.

These linear quick auto bets tend to be button clicking bluffs. I see the merit in folding otr but I might call based on that population tell.

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08-06-2014 , 01:23 AM

#364

nonsimplesimon

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Originally Posted by hs3c

Pretty much what my man Puzo said .... You're on the right track. Just try to do it with hands where you stands slight chance when called lol.

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08-07-2014 , 01:19 AM

#365

nonsimplesimon

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Merge - $0+$0|<> NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 32.85 BB (VPIP: 46.97, PFR: 33.59, 3Bet Preflop: 9.68, Hands: 137)
MP: 9.45 BB (VPIP: 20.19, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 104)
Hero (CO): 21.59 BB
BTN: 4.63 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 15)
SB: 14.77 BB (VPIP: 27.50, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 23.08, Hands: 41)
BB: 9.01 BB (VPIP: 28.44, PFR: 10.68, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 111)

6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has J

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, SB raises to 14.67 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero?

getting 1.44:1 (or needing 41%) I suppose I felt this was a marginal spot despite vil's stats... I tanked...

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08-07-2014 , 01:21 AM

#366

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Merge - $0+$0|<> NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 33.22 BB (VPIP: 48.62, PFR: 32.11, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 114)
UTG: 22.17 BB (VPIP: 19.75, PFR: 7.50, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 81)
Hero (MP): 20.78 BB
CO: 5.13 BB (VPIP: 10.71, PFR: 6.42, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 114)
BTN: 6 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 18)
SB: 17.45 BB (VPIP: 33.72, PFR: 11.90, 3Bet Preflop: 13.79, Hands: 88)

6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has 6

fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, BTN raises to 5.9 BB and is all-in, fold, BB raises to 33.12 BB and is all-in, Hero?

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08-07-2014 , 01:30 AM

#367

Puzo

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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon

Would have shoved the first time. I guess we can fold now, but I don't feel that good about it.

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08-07-2014 , 01:31 AM

#368

Puzo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon

fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, BTN raises to 5.9 BB and is all-in, fold, BB raises to 33.12 BB and is all-in, Hero?

Foldski

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08-07-2014 , 05:17 AM

#369

DjHitzz

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Folding pretty quick.

Is KQ or AT more of a call?

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08-07-2014 , 10:16 AM

#370

nonsimplesimon

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Originally Posted by Puzo

Would have shoved the first time. I guess we can fold now, but I don't feel that good about it.

yah this is good stuff - with a 14/9/5 bb stacks behind this is obv the best play to open shove lol.

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08-07-2014 , 10:16 AM

#371

nonsimplesimon

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DjHitzz

Folding pretty quick.

Is KQ or AT more of a call?

I think KQ and AT are a call ... I pretty much was basically using his 3b % as his range more or less. KQ is 41% which is even money of course and AT has a whopping 48% - so I think a default would be to call - but I really dig Puzo's advice of playing the effective stack and just piling these mother****ers in.

I'm a little rusty on my six max since these tourneys don't run during the day when I usually play. I had the night off last night and my wife generously put my son down to bed so I decided to jump in some evening USA fish-max games

- thanks guys!

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08-07-2014 , 12:57 PM

#372

DjHitzz

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I see, tyvm to you too!

Need to try 6 max

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08-07-2014 , 03:29 PM

#373

DublinMeUp

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Puke.. call or fold?

$1 180, about 50 left i think.

Poker Stars, $0.91 Buy-in (75/150 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #29466111

UTG+2: 2,734 (18.2 bb)
MP1: 5,392 (35.9 bb)
MP2: 6,182 (41.2 bb)
Hero (MP3): 5,825 (38.8 bb)
CO: 2,527 (16.8 bb)
BTN: 2,427 (16.2 bb) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 7, AF: 9.0, Hands: 144
SB: 7,714 (51.4 bb) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 20, 3B: 12, AF: 1.4, Hands: 66
BB: 3,689 (24.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J

3 folds, Hero raises to 367, CO folds, BTN raises to 2,427 and is all-in, SB raises to 7,714 and is all-in, fold,Hero?

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