^ this... not sure how well they'd run during the week but would def like to see them on more than just 1 day, the whole weekend seems perfect

Guess they could do a trial week or month to see the volume they might get during the week. Although i'm sure they can have a pretty good idea by looking at the players that played today and what there normal games are. I think that there might have been a couple of MTT players than added a couple of these in

Please consider adding some colour to the 180s registrering, for example bold "turbo" and maybe make "180 players" and/or "sit & Go" bolded and red, blue or green or something, so that these tournaments become alittle more visible on top of the tournament lobby. Similar to what FTP had.

Right now, when you open the tournament lobby, all the tournies have some colour and/or some bolded info about buy-in and /or pay-outs/guaranteees. While the 180s dont have any colour and nothing is bolded. Probably makes them look less interesting for the casual player dropping in. The 180s are a great offering from pokerstars to the casual player dropping in who wants to gamble a little bit before going out or something, and anyone else who just likes a bit of fast action. But you are maybe not communicating that offering optimally as is now.

Having read over everything in terms of tournament availability etc im of the opinion that if it aint broke dont fix it. They work, the volumes good at peak times, theres good money to be made and a reasonable range of buyins.

I think the structure of the tournaments is fine and the only thing needed to get more fish in the pond is more rewards that appeal to the recreational players (AWice made a good point on this). Leaderboards are a good possibility but I also like the sound of an Ironman style system. I dont think your average fish considers structure as a reason play. They would be more driven by what rewards they could earn for playing.

New reward system for 180's then advertise it EVERYWHERE.

I also like the post above^^^^

The $60 180-man will be running again next Sunday.

TY.

Any news about a possible higher 45man regspeed? like a 11$ or 15$?

I am going to work my way through each of the field sizes and look at the suggestions in the thread. Then I'll make a post on each one similar to the 180-man post.

Because the $11 non turbo 180s had only been shown in the SnG lobby, not in the MTT (main)lobby.
obv if noone sees them, noone will play them.
or they take a quick look, see 8ppl registered and take the turbo (or 4.5/180) for obv reasons.
but you know all that stuff.

Very good. Thanks for answering quick! Keep up the good work stars!

BOSH

Trial a higher rebuy...

Hey Steve,

I know its been only 3 days, but what are your thoughts on the volume in the 3.50 turbos so far?

Is there any chance of deviating from the standardized buyins of 1.50, 3.50, 7 ,15, etc and having special buyins in between? The reason I bring this up is because I believe adding $7s will cannibalize the $3.50s and as a result, fewer games will run overall. something like a 5.50 would seem to be the optimal buyin for 45 mans. Or perhaps I am wrong and players will register for both the 3.50 and 7 (I notice several $7 and $15 18 man regulars playing the 3.50, so certainly a 7 would also warrant their registration).

Thanks again for reading.

yeah how about you trial a $11 r this Sunday, and whichever runs more the 11r or the 60 180 you stick with?

that would be hard, 60$ makes more rake

Definitely this.

Having a higher buyin, reg speed again would be nice though. An $11 and $22 would be superb.

Not if the rebuys go off more often....although would have to be 2-3 times more often so i guess unlikely

Run bothhhhhhh.

and you wouldnt be excited to play a 1k 180 (thats 50k to first... who isnt going to try to get in on that promotion, im excited at just the thought of it)
thank god you brought this to their attention before they release zoom for real money games

just teasing but i think rush sngs are probably a bad idea aside from the benefit of of starting the sng and blinds clock at 160 players of a 180 player cap just to get the next sng regging sooner since the last 20 players is always the fastest part to reg anyways

but even that seems unnecessary tho as it will somewhat clutter the lobby and requre a format change announcements etc and only to get in what 10% extra games per hour in peak times... (when only the massive volume whores can manage to register every 180 that fills 3r-35 anyways) doesnt seem like there is anyone who would really benefit from it except for simakos and it could have unforseen consequences as you mentioned


i think theres most certainly a void to be filled with on demands but its the void between 180s and mtts not just a tweak to how sngs run

heres the "void" a certain type of on demand should be introduced to fill as i see it:
turbo players:
2/8/3r/15 180s........[8 cubed on demand turbos]....... massive field low bi turbo mtts or high bi but reasonably sized field turbo mtts

8cubedTs provide a medium level of variance before players coming from 180s have to play redic field sizes at low abi or 10x higher abi to transition/add in mtts with smaller field sizes

cap games do already do this to an extent but rather than scheduling 40 more cap games throughout the day so theres always one registering at each relevant buy in you could just introduce on demands and let it work itself out

(i already metnioned 11 reg speed on demands as a logical bridge between 4 180s and mtts you can pretty much swap them in the above explanation though, its medium field size mtts that run on a regular basis that is the thing that is lacking that on demands would fill)

theres pretty much no payjump for making the ft tho, skim some $ off of first place and or or 10-12 and maintain a 10>9 payjump when its easiest to abuse bad players shorthanded and maybe itd be ok

last thing youd want to do is get fish thinking "it doesnt really matter if i make the ft or not, the payjump to 9th is as big as the 2 i just got already and the real money is at the top, and i know... ["im ahead of this guys range and theres no reason not to call", or "if i move all in ill probably get folds"]

its pretty horrid to have rush/zoom sngs 6 tabling rush sngs is considerably more hands per hour than 20 tabling 180s

why waste all the sng/mtt fishes attention with constant action in rush where they can just quickfold to good hands and spots when we would rather have them registering multiple games to not be bored

massive -1 to zoom mtts or mttsngs

takes all the fun out of poker

+1, im pretty sure they're gonna do it regardless what regs think... recreational players voice is gonna be heard in this one.

As far as zoom goes, the recs are gonna love it and the regs will have to adjust. It should make no difference to the regs from a multitabling point of view, will just play less hands than the recs because we wont be quick folding very often.

Also, if the recs have a quick fold button I can imagine them becoming real tight and quick folding to look for a premium hand all the time. I think if anything it could be more profitable. It alleviates the time issues waiting for multi-tabling regs to fold and speeds the game up for the people who want it.

Is there something I havent thought of with regards to this?

+1, Extensively over thought! Good recommendation for the players and also for pokerstars.

This is my first post ever, and soon as i saw this posted, "Add 27man turbo, More 90man turbos, More regspeed 45man, 1$ rebuy 180man", i had to regester and reply.

I have emailed pokerstars so many times about adding the 27man turbos, i shouldnt effect the 45 man or the 27man non turbo. it worked on fulltilt and it ws filling out rraly good on there.

also instead of having a 90 man step 1 which takes forever to fill up make it a 18 or 27 man like full tilt had, which was also very good.

and finaly bring back the non turbo 180, because the 4.50 is just not high enoth.

what you havent thought about is that a proper strategy evolves in the minds of fish and regs pretty quickly (watched it happen on tilt as the games changed 180 degrees in the 9 months after the introduction of rush sngs) and once it does the maximum sustainable roi drops to levels comparable at existing bis of turbo sngs............ and heres the problem...... sick reg or enthusiastic fish... you will not be able to play more than 6 tables without constatnly timing out which means imagine your hourly in existing sngs but only being able at maximum to 12 table (adjsuting for shorter average game length)

its just gona vaccum fish from existing formats into one noone is able to put in as much volume in

its gona cost 180 players fish/roi
its gona cost zoom sng regs hourly (after the initial "learning the game period) versus what they could potentially attain in 180s
its gona cost ps rake

gona cost ps $ to do it in the lr......

theres definitely money to be won in rush sngs/mtts but they will crush your volume and once they dry up after the initial "new format/adjustment" phase theyre gona be pretty much just a drain for no benefit

ill crush them for the first couple months untill they become worthless and then ill go back to my normal games but theyll still be sucking fish out of the games im heading back too

What do you think about 2,5$/180 [2x Chance]?