I don't see why the 3R's have to be removed from the lobby (except the fact that they don't generate enough rake lol), or any sng's for that matter. People can just filter them out if they want to, and as said, all the satellites are cluttering the mtt lobby way more. Not that it bothers me, because like I said I can filter them out, just saying that removing 180s isn't the solution.

On a positive note:
Nice work with the 2.5k level, love it!
Now let's hope the 15% paid thing is going to be nice as well (i.e. don't (or barely) touch top 3 payouts!!!)

Dealmaking is also nice imo, recs will love it and be more inclined to play the 180 I think. Sidebet anyone to be the first one to get more than 1st out of a deal in 180?

^^ I just about have enough time to make a decision on one of my many tables I highly doubt anyone 30+ tabling turbos will have time to 'make' and talk a deal out but yes I think this will also attract more players

I prefer to deal in HU 35$ or 60$ against regs in short stacks

Already done it fish love to call mods for deals

are you making deals in 180 turbos, nub?

I chopped a $4.50 180 once

I remember first time i got HU on a 3r, before that had only played 2.50s, and i remember seeing pay jumps from $330 to $500, for a fish that is big

Pokerstars please bring back the 3,50r SnG back in the lobby.
This is ridiculous.
I do not see the point in removing only one Sit and Go that everybody loves to play.

well said! couldnt agree more!

anyone who wants a debate about how to use HUD stats to define a reg can take it to the 180 regs thread in mttc, it doesn't belong here

Sorry for the derail

I am still interested to know how exactly the remove of one single SNG lobby (3r 180) makes the lobby less clustered now and why it had to be the 3r and not the 2ct 990 players for example.

this is not alot
stop complaining

Well, it is when you actually rely on making a profit from the game itself, as opposed to rb.

In my opinion the decision to remove the 3 180 rebuy from the main lobby was a clear mistake and very short-sighted.

This game was the most popular game in the micro lobby as it provided a chance for new players to become acclimated MTT's for a low price providing much more play than a standard MTT or 180 man. I may not be playing on stars had I not had the ability to acclimate myself through these games!!

It also gave grinders of all levels a chance to improve their skills and build their roll slowly with far less variance than MTT's and even standard 180's. Many of these players will have a much tougher time sticking it out if they have a run of bad luck. These are the people that are speaking out against the move and happen to be some of your most loyal customers. (the ones that tell their friends how good the site is)

Pokerstars has long been the the leader in this field because they listen to their customers and this forum is an example of that. Hopefully they will take notice that the players are vehemently against this and move the game back to its original lobby where it has been successful for years.

I'm happy that 3r was removed from lobby because filling in freezout(8-15-35) now is better than early

Hello all,

As mentioned in my most recent Q&A post, we are planning to expand the payouts in the MTT Sit&Gos. With this change we hope that more players will be encouraged to become repeat participants in these tourneys, thus creating a more sustainable player base.

Initially, we will just make changes to the 90 and 180 player tournaments, but we may change the 240s and 360s as well at a later stage as well.

From reading your posts, it seems that most players are ok with a change like this provided that the top three payouts stay as they are. We have kept that in mind when making these proposals, though for the 180s it was difficult since that payout structure is more top-heavy than for the 90s.

So I hope we can have a quick, to the point and fruitful discussion about this proposal. Sometime after the weekend, we will look at your suggestions and if we feel that someone has come up with ways of improving it, we will make changes accordingly. Regardless, I will return to you next week and inform you of the result of the process.

In this proposal, I have included examples of how the payouts will look for a $2.50 90 and a $15 180 player tournament. The rounding might be slightly different in some spots when implemented on the site, but not by more than a few cents either way.

Finally, I will just mention that I do not plan to address the question of whether or not we should make these changes. The decision has been made, so I will focus on posts that have input on the proposals below.

So here they are:



The 90s will payout 13 instead of 12 players. This will make it marginally easier to get in the money, but the main benefit is that the bubble will be more fair with two seven handed tables.



The 180s will pay one more table than is the case today. We chose to take something off the top because we felt that not doing that would make an already top-heavy structure even more so.

Thanks,
Baard

I don't play them but the proposal for 90s looks good.

The 180s I do play a lot and even though I think the proposal is quite reasonable, I feel it would be better to leave more money in the top 3. That way:

- 15% paid = more itm = recs will play them more repeatedly as you stated
- bigger 1st = attractive to recs
- top heavy structure is better for the regs as well as their winrate increases

Seems to me that everybody wins!

The money added to the top 3 positions (and then 1 > 2 > 3 imo) could be taken from the 5-18 positions, or even from 19-27, I think just giving 19-27 15$ would be a good option as well.

Am I insane, or PokerStars Baard hasn't even mentioned about our feedback?

I can't believe, that after such a declaration:

not even a single word has been written.

Unbelievable.

I think the point is blatantly obvious, whether you agree with it or not is a different matter.

Stars could very easily write a post saying the exact opposite of everything you've just said and it would be equally plausible.

Stars obviously have access to a whole lot of data and statistics that players aren't privy to. If I were to take a stab in the dark I would assume they feel that recreational players are burning money too quickly for their liking in 3r 180's.

90's look good.

180's would be better without the 10-12 pay jump and that money redistributed to either the 10-18 positions or the early final table exit positions. (or a combination of both)

If you guys are pissed off at the decision to move $3r out of the lobby, you should protest by boycotting the regular 180 mans and ONLY playing the $3rs.

This will negatively affect Stars' bottom line and if enough join the boycott, change will happen(?)

When u implement these changes , are u going to promote them (for instance happy hours..) & put the games in the spotlight for a moment?

oh wait.

Players will never do this as it would be damaging to their bottom line and that's all they (most) care about which is hilariously ironic as all this outrage is a result of the same criticism ( be it correctly/incorrectly) being levelled at Stars by said players.

Hello,

You are correct in that I haven't commented further on moving the rebuy tournament from the MTT lobby. However, we did communicate this well ahead of time, so I doubt anyone was surprised.

As stated before, this is a test which we will run for some time. At present, I am not committing to how long the test will run, but the after seeing the result, we will decide on one of two options:

1. Moving all MTT Sit&Go's from the MTT lobby (not including satellites).
2. Leaving things as they were before the rebuy tournament was moved.

There is no bias towards the rebuy tournament, it was just the one which was most practical to use for the test.

I will return to you on this topic when I have more information for you and will not comment further until then.

Thanks,
Baard

most practical to use

pathetic