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Nut flush draw vs several villains Nut flush draw vs several villains

09-02-2018 , 04:40 AM
Hi guys , to be honest not very sure what´s the best line to take

Initial limper is 75/0 in 12 hands
The other two are unknown

So we :

1) Call
2) Raise around 15.000 (if other amount please explain)
3) Shove
4) Any other idea?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $1.80 Buy-in (750/1,500 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37936399

MP2: 35,505 (23.7 bb)
MP3: 111,136 (74.1 bb)
Hero (CO): 57,516 (38.3 bb)
BTN: 39,895 (26.6 bb)
SB: 106,740 (71.2 bb)
BB: 127,330 (84.9 bb)
UTG+1: 33,920 (22.6 bb)
UTG+2: 20,612 (13.7 bb)
MP1: 131,650 (87.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A Q
2 folds, MP1 calls 1,500, 2 folds, Hero raises to 6,000, BTN calls 6,000, SB calls 5,250, BB folds, MP1 calls 4,500

Flop: (26,850) 6 4 8 (4 players)
SB checks, MP1 bets 3,000 Hero ???

Last edited by miguelin43; 09-02-2018 at 04:50 AM.
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09-02-2018 , 05:59 AM
Just shove - you have a ton of equity against almost any holding and there's too much in the pot not to commit.
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09-02-2018 , 09:32 AM
Yeah, your SPR is 2 and with a shove you'll either isolate the fish or build a massive multiway pot with outs to the nuts.

As a general rule when you end up with an SPR that low you should be looking to get your chips in when you flop pretty much anything.
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09-02-2018 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
Yeah, your SPR is 2 and with a shove you'll either isolate the fish or build a massive multiway pot with outs to the nuts.

As a general rule when you end up with an SPR that low you should be looking to get your chips in when you flop pretty much anything.
Yeah , HU I have that idea clear in my head , but MW I wasn't sure

Also stack size looked to me a little awkward. Shoving was my favorite idea too as I want to realize my equity in full but shoving 38 BB seemed a little crazy to me

Thanks for your thoughts , always learning new stuff in this forum
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09-02-2018 , 01:42 PM
I prefer checking.

If button bets then it goes fold-fold or call-fold etc you have an easy jam. If it goes bet-raise-jam then you can consider folding.

Basically I don't think you lose much if it checks through, checking lets you gain more information, xjam over a bet will give you better odds than ripping, you're never ripping he nuts, it's a bad flop for your range and I don't you are necessarily committed.
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09-02-2018 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bearer
I prefer checking.

If button bets then it goes fold-fold or call-fold etc you have an easy jam. If it goes bet-raise-jam then you can consider folding.

Basically I don't think you lose much if it checks through, checking lets you gain more information, xjam over a bet will give you better odds than ripping, you're never ripping he nuts, it's a bad flop for your range and I don't you are necessarily committed.
MP bet into him so he has to either call or raise. Calling seems to weak, and raising all in I agree it's unlikely he would do that with the nut flush already, so a raise to 15000 or so might make more sense, but you would do it with the intention of calling a shove. I personally would probably rip it all in too because even with a vulnerable hand like 2 pair it would make sense to shove too since a ton of bad cards can come on the turn.
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09-02-2018 , 10:10 PM
Ok sorry I missed the bet.

Yes calling exposes hero to a squeeze behind because he's rarely flatting with a good hand here but the price is almost too good to miss. I'd flat with the intention of 3bet jamming over a raise or if the donk bettor & co want to draw to their Q high flushes with a series of mini bets so be it.

Raising to 15,000 is fine if we are unlikely to get 3bet jammed on which would put us to a ~0EV spot. We really want to be the one doing the jamming with a draw rather than calling off, I would just prefer better odds/more money in the pot first.
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09-03-2018 , 02:26 AM
After we call the little donk we have just under 1.5 x pot behind - pot seems plenty big enough to me.

The trouble with raising small is what happens when we are called and the turn is a blank? We can easily get pushed off our equity.
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09-03-2018 , 11:01 AM
If we flat we're getting x/r pretty light from sb given co's sizing. It's a hand we don't mind getting called but definitely rather not take it to showdown so jam

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09-17-2018 , 06:14 AM
"your SPR is 2" what does SPR mean?


also, what does x/r mean?


Edit: SPR = Stack to Pot Ratio
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09-17-2018 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Somby
"your SPR is 2" what does SPR mean?


also, what does x/r mean?


Edit: SPR = Stack to Pot Ratio
Check/raise

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