Non turbo 180s beginners guide – small stakes
05-14-2010
, 12:11 PM
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Thanks for this guide. I was reading this as I played 4 tables of 180 mans and got 4th in one of them. I chose not to 3bet ship 22 4-handed vs an utg minraise. I had a 30k stack, utgr had 120k, blinds were 1.5/3k, utgr to 6534. Other stacks were 40k to my left and 70k to my right. Next hand I shipped 89o on the button (~5k already in the pot) and the tightest player at the table woke up with KK. I'm wondering if OP or anyone else here would have shipped or folded in the 22 spot. Couple people told me folding was better.
And Im fine with your next hand
nice tourney
Last edited by McCrea; 05-14-2010 at 12:28 PM.
05-15-2010
, 12:36 AM
05-15-2010
, 01:11 AM
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That's easy fold given expected normal reads. 22 is 50% at best, so you're looking for fold equity. Even 4-handed utg is not so good to bluff from and thats not likely a bluff size bet (so hes less likely to fold), and chip leader is likely prepared to get other players allin (and you're the shortest, so hes not likely to fold). That's two aspects that make him not likely to fold. No fold equity, 50% is bad. good fold.
And Im fine with your next hand nice tourney
And Im fine with your next hand
nice tourney
. I agree, he prob would have been priced in with all the money in there. I considered open ~minraising the next hand (89) but figured it would be bad since a high chance i get called by the bb and then im in a bad spot, or i get 3bet.Hehe yeah you are prob right, but I just glanced at it here and there and moreso on breaks, it was nice.
05-15-2010
, 07:27 AM
Hey just wondering why you advocate the following:
'22-66 Raise 3x 25% Fold 60% Call 15%
AJo/ATs- Raise 3x 50% Fold 50%'
Is this for some kind of range balancing? Because for the stakes youre aiming this at I think that is really unnecessary.
But on the whole I think its a really well written guide
'22-66 Raise 3x 25% Fold 60% Call 15%
AJo/ATs- Raise 3x 50% Fold 50%'
Is this for some kind of range balancing? Because for the stakes youre aiming this at I think that is really unnecessary.
But on the whole I think its a really well written guide
Last edited by The_Jeebus; 05-15-2010 at 07:37 AM.
05-17-2010
, 02:15 AM
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Hey just wondering why you advocate the following:
'22-66 Raise 3x 25% Fold 60% Call 15%
AJo/ATs- Raise 3x 50% Fold 50%'
Is this for some kind of range balancing? Because for the stakes youre aiming this at I think that is really unnecessary.
But on the whole I think its a really well written guide
'22-66 Raise 3x 25% Fold 60% Call 15%
AJo/ATs- Raise 3x 50% Fold 50%'
Is this for some kind of range balancing? Because for the stakes youre aiming this at I think that is really unnecessary.
But on the whole I think its a really well written guide
on aggressive tables with alot of raises and 3betting i might just fold small PPs from early position since its unlikely that we will see a flop for 60 or 80 chips to justify setmining.
on passive tables with alot of players in the pot regardless of raises infront with terrible postflop play openlimping small PPs is fine since we are likely to see a cheap flop multiway.
05-17-2010
, 02:18 AM
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http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...9209807&page=0
Not to rain on any parade...but I think this should be in this thread too.
Nice poast... but don't think those ranges describe tight. Maybe I've just become a nit.
Not to rain on any parade...but I think this should be in this thread too.
Nice poast... but don't think those ranges describe tight. Maybe I've just become a nit.
but i think i wrote somewhere
that these ranges can be tighter or loser dependend on our stacksizes/table aggression/etc,etci did not link SFD's guide since its outdated (imo)
05-22-2010
, 08:16 PM
06-16-2010
, 05:58 PM
Very cool post, thanks to all that contributed (as well as WTK300 for the quickly referenced chart).
06-17-2010
, 12:53 AM
Great read furo!
I'm looking forward to get my feet wet in these soon
I'm looking forward to get my feet wet in these soon
