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Old 05-07-2010, 11:19 PM   #26
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Re: Non turbo 180s beginners guide – small stakes

hi guys
read this, it should work
thought that it would be for your 10K post
great hopes on what it's gonna be ;-)
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Old 05-08-2010, 12:44 AM   #27
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Re: Non turbo 180s beginners guide – small stakes

Well put sir. I enjoy reading your input in other threads. This is a sweet guide.
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Old 05-08-2010, 01:50 AM   #28
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awww non turbo? nice post though.
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Old 05-08-2010, 04:39 AM   #29
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nice job, thank you, vielen Dank
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Old 05-08-2010, 05:12 AM   #30
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Old 05-08-2010, 05:13 AM   #31
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Re: Non turbo 180s beginners guide – small stakes

Top work Furo and all those that contributed. Im reasonably new to the 4/180's and this will come in great help. Thanks ever so much
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Old 05-08-2010, 06:51 AM   #32
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Re: Non turbo 180s beginners guide – small stakes

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Is all the strategy posted here also applicable for the 180 man turbos?
the turbos play alot faster

i would imagine the first two levels to be the same but i cant imagine getting reads in turbos that often just because the sample sizes are very small.
most decisions in turbos are readless unless you play vs regs.

furtheremore turbos are about pushbotting < 20BB most of the time whereas in the nonturbos decisions have to be made postflop very often
Even on the Final Table where the final 5 stacks are very often 20-60BB effective
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Old 05-08-2010, 11:30 AM   #33
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Re: Non turbo 180s beginners guide – small stakes

VN post. I was about to use the search feature for something very much like this. Hope you get stickied or linked in the anthology.

I'd like to know what you think about playing as a function of pay out structure and in order to not hijack your thread I've made a separate post. https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23.../#post18764346 Feel free to use any of it when you add/edit/etc. See you in game if I havn't already.
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Old 05-08-2010, 10:28 PM   #34
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Re: Non turbo 180s beginners guide – small stakes

great post.

the best reading so far about this tourneys. lot of respect.

i think you guys made a great job and this guide is, per se, enough to make a player a winning player.

* sticky ftw!
** bring on the 2nd volume - advanced guide!
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Old 05-08-2010, 11:42 PM   #35
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Re: Non turbo 180s beginners guide – small stakes

You can easily beat the 4.40/180's at 80-150% using this guide, good post OP. The 4.40's are about to get a little tougher (only for a couple weeks though which is the average life of a reg at these from my experience)
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Old 05-09-2010, 04:31 AM   #36
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Re: Non turbo 180s beginners guide – small stakes

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awww non turbo?
turbo 180 guide is a bit shorter:

1. fold until you have 10bb
2. shove atc
3. ???
4. profit

Seriously looks like an awesome job, always thought furo's posts are really good and show a good understanding of the basic fundamentals and just how to play a solid game which is the key to beating these kind of tourneys...
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Old 05-09-2010, 05:22 AM   #37
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Re: Non turbo 180s beginners guide – small stakes

Very well put together. Will be passing this onto some others.
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Old 05-09-2010, 05:58 AM   #38
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great Job Furo ty
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Old 05-09-2010, 11:46 AM   #39
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Good job furo, good read.
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:14 PM   #40
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solid, you def put alot of time and effort into this, and I have alot of respect for that..thanks again
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:18 AM   #41
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Re: Non turbo 180s beginners guide – small stakes

Great tutorial, basing on it I've made this for a friend:

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Old 05-12-2010, 05:12 PM   #42
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^^^ clutch
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Old 05-13-2010, 12:46 AM   #43
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bumpage just to say how awesome this is and it's not getting nearly enough love
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Old 05-13-2010, 01:09 AM   #44
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Re: Non turbo 180s beginners guide – small stakes

What method do you recommend choosing percentage-based actions, like: 22-66 Raise 3x 25% Fold 60% Call 15%

The Harrington watch trick or something else?
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Old 05-13-2010, 01:41 AM   #45
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WOW WEE.
This WILL help me a lot.
Thank you for taking so much time to write a fantastic article.
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Old 05-13-2010, 02:31 AM   #46
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Re: Non turbo 180s beginners guide – small stakes

Furo, I didn't realize you have only played since last year. I think your advice in mttS is pretty accurate and knowledgable. I'm impressed with your improvement in such a short period.

Gl at the tables and it was great of you to touch this guide up and repost it for others.
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Old 05-13-2010, 04:24 AM   #47
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Re: Non turbo 180s beginners guide – small stakes

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What method do you recommend choosing percentage-based actions, like: 22-66 Raise 3x 25% Fold 60% Call 15%

The Harrington watch trick or something else?
depends on your stack size and the players yet to act.
furtheremore on the PFR of the table

if you are likely to see a flop cheaply and are likely to get alot of overcallers who are terrible in postflop play and call all the way with 2nd pair and worse folding pocket pairs aint good.
since they call your raise anyway and you have to play it for setvalue multiway anyway you can as well limp with it in 180s.

in tournaments with more starting chips raising would be better to get more money in the pot to win a larger pot in the end
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Old 05-13-2010, 04:55 PM   #48
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Re: Non turbo 180s beginners guide – small stakes

wtk300: Very nice, well done sir.

I wrote those ranges and they are intended for a beginner just getting his feet wet trying to learn the basics of a TAG style. Once you've got a good foundation and some post-flop skills, you can go a tad looser in position with good range-balancing hands like suited 1-2 gappers (68s-J9s, 96s-J8s).

The thing about 4/180s is that until late-game there is little room to be a "creative" TAG because everyone plays so damn loose/passive or loose/insane. Stuff that is gonna help you out once you move up like 3betting a good range in position instead of calling doesn't work in 4/180s because you're gonna get a bunch of cold callers. Basically you make the most money in these things by playing an "exploitive" style: which means to play extremely tight and bet big with your monsters and smallish with your medium strength hands. There is no need to balance your range, there is rarely a need to pull bluffs besides continuation betting.
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Old 05-13-2010, 07:22 PM   #49
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Re: Non turbo 180s beginners guide – small stakes

Nice. I haven't finished reading yet.

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Loose passive players:

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they will miss the flop quite often and fold to further aggression from you.
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they like to call
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they call you down way too often.
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I think the first point is poorly stated in light of the next two. Do they like to fold to aggression or call?

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Once they hit a part of the flop they usually don’t fold.
The last is the key summary, however.

I think this information should be explained more clearly considering your target audience.
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Old 05-13-2010, 09:38 PM   #50
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http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...9209807&page=0

Not to rain on any parade...but I think this should be in this thread too.

Nice poast... but don't think those ranges describe tight. Maybe I've just become a nit.
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