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Is my push correct? Is my push correct?

02-09-2017 , 11:45 AM
Firstly I would like to note that I am a beginning tournament player. I've only played cash until recently.

I've reached the final table in my local small tournament (field of 50). The blinds were 250/500 with a 100 ante, and I had around 6k in my stack, so 12BB. There were 8 players left and 6 places got paid.

So i was in the cutoff and looked down on A9s. UTG+1 opened for 1100. He had me slightly covered. There was one really short stack in the SB. I decided to go all in.

I looked at the push/fold charts, and they say that at 10BB, with antes and 8 players at the table, A8s+ is a shove. I have two questions:

1. Do the push/fold charts apply only when there are folds to me? Or are they also valid when there was a raise or a limp before me?

2. Given that I had 12BB, not 10, was my push correct?
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02-09-2017 , 11:49 AM
Push-fold charts assume you are open-raising. So in this spot you have to estimate whether a 3b-shove is +ev given your read on the raiser and estimated fold equity. A8s isn't a great hand for a 3b-shove against an early raise because you'll typically be way behind his calling range.

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02-09-2017 , 11:58 AM
So should I have folded?
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02-09-2017 , 12:17 PM
I would in your shoes. Would rather shove 75s bvb than 3bet shove A9s over utg open this close to money. Your not far off (i probably go AJs) so def not a big mistake.
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02-09-2017 , 12:28 PM
Yeah, I see it now. I never really studied the charts and thought that, when down to 12BB, any suited ace is a shove, no matter what the action before me was.

What would you do if you were in the same situation, but on the button, and it was the cutoff open raising?
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02-10-2017 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by maka2020
Yeah, I see it now. I never really studied the charts and thought that, when down to 12BB, any suited ace is a shove, no matter what the action before me was.

What would you do if you were in the same situation, but on the button, and it was the cutoff open raising?
That's a much better spot to shove because villain's range is going to be much wider and you have a blocker to him having a better Ace.

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02-10-2017 , 11:28 AM
Try playing with ICMizer, it will tell you what to call and what to push based on stacks and money

As for your hand, its tricky. I would have shoved only if it was really loose player.
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