BB: 12.85 BB (VPIP: 29.63, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
UTG: 12.4 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
UTG+1: 28.1 BB (VPIP: 10.71, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
MP: 14.2 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (MP+1): 18.51 BB
MP+2: 23.51 BB (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
CO: 5.58 BB (VPIP: 14.81, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
BTN: 20.3 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 28)
SB: 4.43 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 13)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has 8 7

fold, fold, MP raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB



I noticed several pp at the table (its a $10 MTT), starting to stall as we were 1 or 2 from money. Given this, being in position, and both our stack sizes I decided to make an aggressive move with 78s. Thoughts on this 3bet?

If you don't like it, what are some better bluff hands here?

Thanks.

do you think that MP with 14BB min-raises any hand that folds to 3-bet? are you ready to fold and lose 5BB which is almost 1/3 of your stack if he shoves?

Villain is VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67 ! It looks like a calling station that won't be folding to a light 3bet. Keep your 3bets for value vs these guys.

V's sample size is 6. six.
33.33% of 6 is 2
16.67% of 6 is 1

30 hands at least for VP and PFR, preferably +100
Don't use small samples to make decisions

Fold pre. Sizing is awful too, 5bb??? The only 3b sizing that makes sense is shove and your hand it's not good enough ( the worst SC that I shove in this spot is JTs and never without any reads)

True, I had not seen that when posting, my bad. Though still, I wouldn't take the spot blind in that case !

I wouldn't advocate raising 1/3rd of your stack with that hand. Villain can shove easily with his stack size and with your stack size value hands should be shoving in your position anyways.

Ok, makes sense. What's a good stack size or maybe better q what's a good effective stack size to make it like 3x? Or is this just a bad 3! Hand in this spot regardless?



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With these stacks all of my 3bets are all in.

Obviously this is bluffing range. With these stacks, my bluffing range option is a linear range rather than a polarized range. So there are better options for your 3 bet bluffs.

Is this a good spot for a 3 bet bluff. If you go through the Layne Flack checklist on good spots to 3 bet bluff he rates position of the player, range of the player and the stack size.

the player is unknown and it is middle position. Both of those would rate 5/10. Your stack of 18 BBs over a 2 BBs is positive, but not the best, so that would rate about a 7.

All total, this rates as a 17/30 spot. So to me this is not a great spot for 3 bet bluffs, so I would have a bluff range, but no wider than balanced range.

So, I would probably have 99+ and AQ+ as my balance range with a linear bluffs of 4% more hands. Hands like AJo, KQo, and bigger suited aces would probably be my preferred choice here for the blocker value and linear range.

JJ can u give the source of this? I wanna check it

Actually, I cannot. I have not been able to find the article he wrote this in for a couple of years. This is one of those I did not save to flash drive but wish I did. And when my old computer died my book marks went with it.

But I still remember the content of the article. You rate 3 criteria from 1 - 10. 1 being the worst for you and 10 being the best. The position of the open raiser, the player aggression level, and the stack size.

So basically EP raises got a lower rating. UTG +2 might get a 2, depending on how many players were dealt in. MP is around the middle of and the button was a 10.

Standard or unknown players would get about a 5 in the player type rating. Aggressive players would get 7 - 10 depending on the levels of aggression and tight players would get the lower ratings of 1 - 3.

In the article he did not go into depth on stack size but this has been my experience: When you can shove all in or leverage his stack with a 3 bet that gets the higher ratings. (A 3 bet where a call is pot a commitment call) So for a 3 bet to 7.5 about a 25 BBs stack.) The lower ratings are the 3 bets that allows light 4 bet shoves. (When the 4 bet would be 5x - 7x your 3 bet sizing. So if you 3 bet to 7.5, this would range form about 35BBs - about 50BBs.) All other stacks got a medium rating.

Also in this article his conclusion said when the numbers are good for you it makes a good spot to 3bet bluff. However, he did not clarify what makes the numbers good for you. Over the years, I settled on 20 being the low end of good for me.

2 examples: TAG from EP 2.5x with 50 BBs: Position 2, player 3, stack 3 = 8 horrible spot to 3 bet bluff. LAG from button 2.2x with 16 BBs. Button = 10, LAG = 8, and stack = 9 (10 would be a 5x - 7x the open shove). Total 27 making this one of the best spots to 3 bet bluff.

87s is definitely in my polarized 3bet bluff range. <20BB, I am looking to be first in the pot or 3bet with the intent to leave a PSB for the flop. With MP having a short stack too, you don't have much fold equity. I probably fold preflop. If MP had more chips, running this line would be more acceptable.

This is a great post. Thanks!

Bang on

Not sure to understand your intend, you're close to be comitted if it rejams you, and besides that if you fold you turns urself to be the short stack of the table. Might be wrong but i wouldn't take the spot for those reason.